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12:59:30 |
littleme2 |
My 23 mo old gets up 2-3 times a night for milk. I've
tried reducing the amount but it just makes her wake up
more times |
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12:59:41 |
ElizabethPantley |
Do you mean BF? |
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12:59:49 |
slogreco |
? |
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12:59:51 |
cmdunn1972 |
? |
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12:59:51 |
ilovezoeystar |
? |
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12:59:53 |
Webmama_Tina |
Friendly Reminder: Please do not post unless it is your
turn to ask a question. If you have a question, please
post a single ?" and you'll be added to the queue. Have
your question ready when your name is called. THANKYOU!
:)" |
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12:59:56 |
Webmama_Tina |
there ya go |
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12:59:58 |
littleme2 |
No reg milk in sippy |
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12:59:59 |
ajensengal |
? |
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13:00:21 |
Webmama_Tina |
here's the lineup: slogreco ilovezoeystar cmdunn1972
ajensengal |
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13:00:23 |
ElizabethPantley |
Ok, so the question is about a 2 year old who wakes up
2-3 times a night for a suppy cup of milk. |
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13:00:42 |
littleme2 |
got a pop up, don't understand it |
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13:01:00 |
ElizabethPantley |
This is all about a habit :o) The best thing to do is
to make it less fun - begin to dilute the milk with
water so it's not so tastey. |
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13:01:31 |
littleme2 |
sorry, how do i get in the lineup? |
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13:01:37 |
ElizabethPantley |
Also maybe some crackers in case she's waking for hunger |
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13:02:05 |
ElizabethPantley |
Also, talk to her! Sometimes we forget to do that. Tell
her she should wait til it's light outside. |
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13:02:31 |
ElizabethPantley |
And make sure she has a nice, healthy pre-bed snack -
like oatmeal and bananas. |
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13:02:36 |
ElizabethPantley |
All this may help. |
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13:02:37 |
ElizabethPantley |
Next? |
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13:02:40 |
MOD_Angie |
upcoming chatter(s): debbiej ilovezoeystar
jasonsmom littleme2 |
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13:03:07 |
ajensengal |
next should be slogreco |
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13:03:11 |
Webmama_Tina |
ahhhh, angie's back, thanks angie! |
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13:03:11 |
Webmama_Tina |
:) |
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13:03:21 |
slogreco |
I have a 10 month old, co-sleeping daughter. Im trying
the gentle removal plan b/c I really only nurse her to
sleep. she also takes a pacifier..." |
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13:03:33 |
slogreco |
what should I waen her of first? |
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13:03:37 |
slogreco |
wean |
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13:03:51 |
ElizabethPantley |
Join the crowd! Those co-sleeping BFing toddlers! |
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13:03:56 |
slogreco |
pacifier or night time breastfeeding |
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13:04:19 |
slogreco |
she only uses the pacifier to sleep |
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13:04:21 |
ElizabethPantley |
My new book for toddlers & preschoolers has several
chapters on this popular issue... Let's go over a few
tips.... |
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13:04:49 |
ElizabethPantley |
If she accepts a pacifier that's good for you. As she
can find one on her own and not need you to BF to sleep. |
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13:04:55 |
slogreco |
ok |
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13:05:03 |
ElizabethPantley |
The key is to have several in her bed and help her learn
how to find one on her own |
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13:05:17 |
ElizabethPantley |
Since she's old enough to do this you have a good
solution. |
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13:05:23 |
slogreco |
hmm. ok. |
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13:05:29 |
ElizabethPantley |
Pacis aren't a problem as this age, if used only for
sleep time. |
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13:05:41 |
slogreco |
really? b/c i worry about that |
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13:05:54 |
ElizabethPantley |
No need to worrry unless she carrieds her paci around
all day/ |
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13:05:59 |
slogreco |
no she doesn't |
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13:06:20 |
slogreco |
so i should night wean her and teach her to find the
paci on her own then |
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13:06:32 |
ElizabethPantley |
Then your issue can be easily solved. If your dd didn't
take a paci and wanted BF only that's the bigger
problem. |
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13:06:52 |
slogreco |
ok then. |
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13:06:56 |
slogreco |
i'll give it a try |
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13:06:57 |
ElizabethPantley |
I don't like the term night wean" as 'weaning' isn't
really what you're doing..." |
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13:07:14 |
slogreco |
that's true |
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13:07:19 |
ElizabethPantley |
It's a matter of removing BF from an all -night soother
position. |
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13:07:30 |
slogreco |
right, that does sound better |
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13:07:44 |
ElizabethPantley |
Anyone have an all-night BF child?? Raise your hand? |
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13:07:51 |
ajensengal |
i do |
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13:08:09 |
mommy2emmy |
I do |
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13:08:14 |
MOD_Angie |
i do |
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13:08:16 |
Hilde |
I do |
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13:08:21 |
ElizabethPantley |
I'll provide a few tips for that issue, since it's so
common..... |
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13:08:24 |
littleme2 |
? |
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13:08:35 |
ElizabethPantley |
Not just in this group, for among BF children in
general. |
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13:08:53 |
ilovezoeystar |
me |
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13:09:02 |
ElizabethPantley |
When a little one gets used to breastfeeding to sleep it
becomes a powerful cue for sleep. |
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13:09:10 |
ElizabethPantley |
The first thing is to separate the two acts. |
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13:09:21 |
ElizabethPantley |
BF on the sofa in a room that is not the bedroom. |
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13:09:28 |
ElizabethPantley |
Then move to the bedroom BEFORE your child is asleep. |
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13:09:44 |
ElizabethPantley |
In the bedroom you can use massage, patting, rocking,
stories or cuddles. |
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13:10:03 |
ElizabethPantley |
If your child cries for nursing, go back to the sofa ,
nurse a bit, then back to the bedroom to sleep., |
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13:10:16 |
ElizabethPantley |
If your child separates sleep from BF then you won't be
on call all night long |
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13:10:29 |
ElizabethPantley |
Also, as hard as it may be.... |
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13:11:04 |
ElizabethPantley |
Don't you fall asleep nursing.....then your child falls
asleep BFing.... then she'll need you every time she
wakes up. |
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13:11:38 |
ElizabethPantley |
Also, toddlers and preschoolers can learn that We sleep
in the dark, we nurse in the light"" |
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13:12:12 |
ElizabethPantley |
We could talk about this topic for the next hour LOL but
why don't we stick to the question format for the
moment... Who's next? |
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13:12:22 |
MOD_Angie |
upcoming chatter(s): ilovezoeystar cmdunn1972
ajensengal debbiej jasonsmom littleme2 |
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13:12:26 |
ilovezoeystar |
is that really possible w/an almost one year old that
has ONLY ever gone to sleep nursing and nurses ALL night
long..with 5-15 wake ups every single night? My 11
month old daughter would sleep 12 consecutive hours if
only attached to my breast... |
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13:13:00 |
ElizabethPantley |
Oh sweetie! You describe my 4th child and the motivation
for my first No-Cry Sleep Solution book!!!! |
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13:13:25 |
ilovezoeystar |
ive tried the PPO but she slurps me in like spaghetti
and if I don't give her the breast she kicks and screams
until I do...i've waited an hour or two but she'll keep
the crying up unless I give in |
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13:13:30 |
mommy2emmy |
I have that same problem |
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13:13:37 |
ilovezoeystar |
I know, i read that part of your book and felt close to
you b/c we shared that issue |
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13:13:38 |
ElizabethPantley |
My Coleton was almost a year old and nursing nearly
every hour all night long. I don't believe in letting
any child cry to sleep but I did find hundreds of gentle
methods. |
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13:13:56 |
ElizabethPantley |
OK, then, let's talk about this topic some more.... |
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13:14:02 |
ilovezoeystar |
I get SOO agrivated sometimes...two hours of a bedtime
nursing routeen is insane... |
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13:14:20 |
ElizabethPantley |
If a child has only ever fallen asleep nursing he
believes it is the only way to go to sleep. |
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13:14:30 |
ilovezoeystar |
We should start a big-brother house for sleepy mommies
and nursing babies/toddlers |
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13:14:38 |
ElizabethPantley |
That's one reason for the PPO -- for those who don't
know what that is.... |
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13:14:50 |
ElizabethPantley |
LOL |
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13:15:25 |
ElizabethPantley |
Start with a bedtime poster that shows the steps to
bedtime in pictures 1 - child getting into PJs 2-
brushing teeth 3 - reading a book etc. |
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13:15:26 |
mommy2emmy |
Do we win a night of sleep? LOL |
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13:15:34 |
ElizabethPantley |
Yes, indeedy |
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13:15:37 |
ilovezoeystar |
LOL! |
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13:15:53 |
ElizabethPantley |
Then nurse your child but NOT until totally asleep. |
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13:16:20 |
ElizabethPantley |
Remove off the breast and quickly move your child away
from the breast -- you can pat/rub/rock/shhh/sing.... |
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13:16:33 |
ElizabethPantley |
Try to help him go back to sleep with the nipple |
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13:16:52 |
ElizabethPantley |
If he gets upset, you nurse for a minute, then remove
again and try other methods of comforting |
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13:16:54 |
ilovezoeystar |
I'm willing to try anything to ask...but if I nurse her
until she's just relaxed...and pull her from the breast
shes going to sit up and start playing OR cry b/c she's
so tired and wants more of Mommy's milk |
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13:16:57 |
ilovezoeystar |
oh.. |
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13:17:05 |
ElizabethPantley |
Repeat....repeat....repeat.... |
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13:17:22 |
ilovezoeystar |
will you come help? ;) |
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13:17:30 |
ElizabethPantley |
Well, you need to control the situation....move her to
your shoulder and pat and sway or some such activity. |
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13:17:41 |
ElizabethPantley |
LOL |
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13:17:53 |
ilovezoeystar |
Thank you so much...i'll let you move onto the next
question...you're a life saver...i'm star struck, thank
you thank you thank you! |
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13:17:58 |
MOD_Angie |
upcoming chatter(s): cmdunn1972 ajensengal debbiej
jasonsmom littleme2 |
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13:18:02 |
cmdunn1972 |
I'm FFing my 3 month old. He's been co-sleeping at 5-6
hour stretches/night, but hasn't increased in several
weeks. I've tried increasing his nighttime bottle from 6
oz to 8, but it hasn't helped. Any tips for sleeping
longer so he doesn't wake hubby? Thx! |
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13:18:05 |
ElizabethPantley |
I weaned my 4th ending 9 years of BF experience, I do
miss it, so yeah, perhaps I'll take you up on that offer
:o) |
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13:18:29 |
Webmama_Tina |
lol ilovezoeystar |
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13:18:38 |
ElizabethPantley |
A 3 month old is still allowed to wake up for a feeding
:o) |
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13:18:46 |
ElizabethPantley |
They are soooo tiny and they grow so fast. |
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13:19:02 |
ElizabethPantley |
5-6 hours is quite good for a 3 month old actually |
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13:19:09 |
ElizabethPantley |
No matter what others may tell you |
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13:19:19 |
cmdunn1972 |
Hubby just complains b/c he has to get up at 4:30 am and
Sean seems to want to wake up at 3:30, right before the
alarm clock |
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13:19:19 |
ElizabethPantley |
You might try a bigger before bed feeding |
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13:19:48 |
cmdunn1972 |
also, he doesn't always finish the whole 8 ounces |
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13:19:48 |
ElizabethPantley |
This will change! Have heart. They do grow up -- and
much too fast.... |
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13:20:11 |
ElizabethPantley |
Make sure the room is dark and quiet . That may help
prevent more waking up. |
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13:20:23 |
cmdunn1972 |
what do you think of sound machines? |
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13:20:25 |
ElizabethPantley |
He may be full before 8 oz. That's OK |
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13:20:30 |
cmdunn1972 |
hubby can't live w/out it |
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13:20:32 |
ElizabethPantley |
I LOVE sound machines!!! |
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13:20:52 |
ElizabethPantley |
They are recordings of ocean waves or rainfall. They are
soothing and create a nice sleep cue. |
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13:21:09 |
ElizabethPantley |
They also are great if you have other children who may
wake the baby since |
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13:21:19 |
cmdunn1972 |
LOL the water ones mke me want more bathroom breaks lol |
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13:21:21 |
ElizabethPantley |
they cover sounds of the house that might wake him. |
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13:21:36 |
ElizabethPantley |
OK, maybe birdsong then? :) |
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13:21:42 |
ElizabethPantley |
:0) |
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13:21:49 |
ElizabethPantley |
Next? |
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13:21:58 |
ajensengal |
i was thinking that perhaps moving my 13 month old into
my daughter's bed would be one way of getting him to
stop visiting the all-night buffet. (her mattress is on
the floor and we've pulled another mattress next to it
for him) do you think he's too young |
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13:22:17 |
ElizabethPantley |
Yes, oh yes! I love using the sibling-bed idea. |
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13:22:36 |
ajensengal |
he's going to try to nurse off her :D :D |
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13:22:49 |
ElizabethPantley |
Most siblings love to sleep together, and while safety
rules say wait until about 18 months old, it depends on
the size of the two children |
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13:22:56 |
ElizabethPantley |
Make sure the room is child-safe |
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13:23:07 |
ElizabethPantley |
Look at my website for TONS of sibling co-sleeping
photos pantley.com |
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13:23:14 |
ajensengal |
and how should i transition |
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13:23:33 |
ElizabethPantley |
You can lie with them in the 'sleeping room' and read
stories as they get comfy |
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13:23:42 |
ElizabethPantley |
At first you can stay until they are both asleep, |
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13:23:55 |
ElizabethPantley |
Eventually you may be able to leave when they are cozy
and sleepy |
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13:24:06 |
ElizabethPantley |
They can provide each other with comfort and cuddling. |
|
13:24:19 |
ElizabethPantley |
My 5 year old still often sleeps with his 13 year old
brother |
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13:24:22 |
ElizabethPantley |
Next? |
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13:25:03 |
littleme2 |
How do I transition my 23 mo old to her own room? She
sleeps in her own bed in our room. She has to have
someone to lie down next to her to fall asleep or hold
her hand. I've tried to sit a bit away from her but she
starts bawling. |
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13:25:05 |
Webmama_Tina |
woops, angie had to go....lemme see who's left |
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13:25:34 |
ElizabethPantley |
68% of toddlers require an adult to lie with them until
they are asleep. It's NORMAL |
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13:25:49 |
Webmama_Tina |
oh i guess littleme2 is the last one then? |
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13:25:54 |
ElizabethPantley |
So what we want to do is make sure she is tired enough
to fall asleep when bedtime arrives |
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13:26:00 |
littleme2 |
but she expects us to be there in the middle of the
night |
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13:26:04 |
mommy2emmy |
noI have a question |
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13:26:10 |
Webmama_Tina |
oh sorry |
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13:26:11 |
ElizabethPantley |
Ah, yes, that's often a problem |
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13:26:22 |
littleme2 |
it's like we're tricking her |
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13:26:34 |
littleme2 |
we're there and then not there |
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13:26:40 |
ElizabethPantley |
It's good to have a routine that she enjoys and a plan
for night waking. |
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13:26:51 |
ElizabethPantley |
For example, have lots of stuffed animals for her to
sleep with |
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13:27:11 |
ElizabethPantley |
And put a little pet in her room to 'keep her company'
like a turtle or fish on a bedside table |
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13:27:20 |
littleme2 |
She's a really light sleeper and calls us to make sure
we're there |
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13:27:26 |
ElizabethPantley |
And a tiny nightlight so darkness doesn't create fear |
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13:27:28 |
ElizabethPantley |
And then, if she comes to your room.... |
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13:27:38 |
ElizabethPantley |
Just gently and kindly take her back to her bed and tuck
her in |
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13:27:51 |
ElizabethPantley |
If you are consistent you'll create a new routine |
|
13:27:53 |
littleme2 |
she wants us to stay with her |
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13:28:12 |
littleme2 |
to still sit in the same spot that we were in |
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13:28:17 |
ElizabethPantley |
Yes, of course! Most children want their parents all
night long as we represent safety and security |
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13:28:42 |
ElizabethPantley |
If this is the issue for her you can use the 'I'll be
right back' technique to teach her to feel comfortable
along |
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13:28:45 |
ElizabethPantley |
alone |
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13:28:59 |
ElizabethPantley |
What you do is tuck her in and tell her I'll be right
back" then" |
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13:29:08 |
littleme2 |
and not come back? |
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13:29:22 |
ElizabethPantley |
no... you get up and close a window, put on some socks,
get a drink of water |
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13:29:30 |
ElizabethPantley |
just for a few minutes, then come back again |
|
13:29:39 |
ElizabethPantley |
Keep doing this for longer periods of time |
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13:29:46 |
ElizabethPantley |
Until she falls asleep while you are gone |
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13:29:52 |
ElizabethPantley |
Make sense? |
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13:30:00 |
littleme2 |
yeah |
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13:30:13 |
ElizabethPantley |
Also, make sure her room is cozy and comforting in the
night |
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13:30:13 |
littleme2 |
should i put a gate at her door? |
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13:30:22 |
ElizabethPantley |
I don't suggest it. |
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13:30:29 |
ElizabethPantley |
Instead, when she needs you - come to her |
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13:30:38 |
ElizabethPantley |
Comfort her, then leave again... |
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13:30:53 |
littleme2 |
what if she starts crying? |
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13:30:57 |
ElizabethPantley |
It's all part of helping her to grow up. Slow....
steady....gently |
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13:31:13 |
ElizabethPantley |
Then come back. Comfort, tuck in, turn on a lullaby,
help her relax |
|
13:31:25 |
littleme2 |
thanks |
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13:31:41 |
ElizabethPantley |
Let me know how it goes -- my email is on my website
pantley.com |
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13:31:51 |
ElizabethPantley |
Next? |
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13:31:53 |
Webmama_Tina |
mommy2emmy had a question then i think that's it? |
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13:31:58 |
mommy2emmy |
I have a 12 month old who will not sleep without me or a
booby.... if I take her off before she is alseep she
will kick hit and scream.... and I have done the
repeat....repeat....repeat thing and I am about 1
sleepless night from the CIO..... |
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13:32:27 |
ElizabethPantley |
I've worked with thousands of mommies in your position.
YOu don't have to resort to CIO (and by the way.... |
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13:32:45 |
ElizabethPantley |
it's not a guarantee of a quick fix. Usually it's lots
of crying and little sleeping for weeks.... |
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13:32:48 |
mommy2emmy |
Help |
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13:33:00 |
Webmama_Tina |
unless you have time to answer a question from
me....otherwise it can keep til next time :) |
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13:33:23 |
ElizabethPantley |
By the way guys, if we don't get to you please do email
me pantley.com |
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13:33:52 |
ElizabethPantley |
Let me give you some tips for the all-night nurser --
which I will cut and paste here from my book - an easy
way for me to give you some ideas... |
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13:34:37 |
ElizabethPantley |
A helpful first step is to create a phrase that means,
“We’re all done nursing.” You’ll want to first use this
during the day at the end of each nursing session. As
you finish nursing, and you are moving your child off
your lap and closing up your clothing, repeat your
phrase two or three times. Choose your own phrase, based
on your personality and your child’s age, but it could
be something like, “All done. Milk is all done. Bye-bye
milk.” This becomes a “cue phrase” to close your
nursing sessions, and will be helpful in the middle of
the night, or too-early in the morning, when you would
like your child to stop nursing and go to sleep. |
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13:35:13 |
ElizabethPantley |
instead of letting him fall asleep at the breast, is to
let him nurse for a few minutes until his sucking slows
and he is relaxed and sleepy. |
|
13:35:26 |
ElizabethPantley |
• |
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13:35:40 |
ElizabethPantley |
If she struggles or fusses and you foresee a battle
ahead, go ahead and let her nurse a bit more, since you
don’t want her to become totally awake and crying, but
repeat the removal process as often as necessary until
she finally falls asleep. |
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13:35:55 |
ElizabethPantley |
It may take two, three, five, or even more attempts, but
eventually your child will accept being off the breast
and will accept loss of the nipple, get comfortable, and
begin to fall asleep without the nipple in his mouth.
THIS is when you say your closing phrase! |
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13:36:06 |
ElizabethPantley |
As the Gentle Removal begins to work, it's a good idea
to pull off sooner and sooner in the process, and one
day your child will surprise you by pulling off on her
own. But to get there you must have consistency on your
part. |
|
13:36:19 |
ElizabethPantley |
~~~~~ Next idea ~~~~~ |
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13:36:50 |
ElizabethPantley |
If you can, try to modify your child’s bedtime routine
so that at the very end he is lying by himself on his
bed, without nursing. You can be on the bed six inches
away, on a chair near the bed, or standing at the door –
and in many cases this will be the only way to prevent
your child from getting upset and becoming totally
awake. Whatever routine you choose, stay consistent with
it every night. |
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13:37:10 |
ElizabethPantley |
revamp your entire pre-bed routine so that you finish
the schedule in a new way. Choose to finish your routine
with something that your child enjoys and that relaxes
her. You may want to use massage or cuddling as your
final step. If you add soft music, white noise or a book
on tape it can make the drifting off to sleep very
pleasant. |
|
13:37:17 |
ElizabethPantley |
~~~~ Next idea ~~~~ |
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13:37:35 |
ElizabethPantley |
A great approach, with older toddlers and preschoolers,
for weaning from breastfeeding as your last step to
sleep, is the story-telling ritual. Introduce an
interesting new routine for your evenings. Allow your
child to breastfeed as usual, but don’t talk during the
process. Then, have your child lie next to you in the
bed, in the dark and tell a story. If your child enjoys
a sippy cup of water, or sucking on a pacifier or
teething-toy during the story, that’s fine. The key is
to have him lying in bed without nursing. |
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13:37:43 |
ElizabethPantley |
~~~~ Next idea ~~~~ |
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13:37:58 |
ElizabethPantley |
If you’ve been on-call to your nursling all night long,
you don’t necessarily have to go “cold turkey” and stop
all breastfeeding. It may help to set a chunk of time
when “the milk sleeps.” |
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13:38:22 |
ElizabethPantley |
Set a period of time when you will say no to
breastfeeding, such as from midnight to 6:00 A.M. During
that time, if your child wakes to breastfeed tell him
the “the milk is sleeping” or a similar description that
he can understand. Hold him, pat him, let Daddy or your
partner rock him, but persist in the idea that the milk
is asleep. |
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13:38:42 |
ElizabethPantley |
ANYBODY LISTENING TO ALL THIS? SHALL I CONTINUE WITH A
FEW MORE IDEAS??? :0) |
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13:38:50 |
mommy2emmy |
yes please |
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13:38:53 |
Hilde |
yes |
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13:38:57 |
ilovezoeystar |
listening |
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13:39:00 |
slogreco |
yes, listening |
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13:39:06 |
ElizabethPantley |
OK, GREAT!!!! ~~~~ Next idea ~~~ |
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13:39:43 |
ElizabethPantley |
Choose a new and comfortable place for your evening
nursing session to take place. This should be different
from your sleep-time location, such as downstairs on the
family room sofa. Tell your little one that it will be
your new nursing place. Set up a new ritual where you
nurse on the sofa and then go off to bed. It’s perfectly
fine to turn out the light and stay with your child
until he falls asleep or is content when you leave the
room. You can give a massage, hum a repetitive tune,
tell him a story, or use a relaxation exercise from page
XX. It may take some persistence the first few nights –
but don’t give in and nurse in the bedroom! If your
child cries and becomes upset, take him downstairs to
the sofa for a very brief nursing session and then
return to the non-nursing bedroom. |
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13:40:08 |
Webmama_Tina |
listening and wondering if i should keep this stuff in
mind to avoid the issue in the first place with my
newborn (later on of course, not now) |
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13:40:16 |
ElizabethPantley |
If your husband, your partner, or another of your baby’s
caregivers can help your child back to sleep, it may be
easier on both you and your child when you make the move
away from nighttime breastfeeding. You can begin the
process by having your partner put your child down for a
nap a few times, or involve him in the regular bedtime
routine for a few nights, and then let him take over the
pre-bed routine for a night or two. Or you can just jump
right into the middle-of-the-night adjustments – any way
can work, as long as you set a plan that you both agree
to. |
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13:40:36 |
ElizabethPantley |
Good point Tina -- lots of things we do create
'problems' for the future. |
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13:40:40 |
mommy2emmy |
Yes... keep it all.. I wish I had of known all of this |
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13:40:57 |
ElizabethPantley |
So if you do things differently from the time your baby
is a newborn, you may not need to read my book later :o) |
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13:41:09 |
Webmama_Tina |
lol maybe so! |
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13:41:12 |
ilovezoeystar |
....If I may...i'm afraid of night-weaning b/c I don't
want my supply to dwindle away... |
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13:41:17 |
Mod_Beckie |
I will have to remember that! |
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13:41:43 |
ElizabethPantley |
My Coleton night weaned" at 12 months (sleeping 10-12
hours) but didn't DAY_WEAN until age 3." |
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13:41:55 |
ElizabethPantley |
And that's really common, by the way |
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13:41:59 |
ilovezoeystar |
thank you, whew |
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13:42:12 |
ElizabethPantley |
Once you’ve read through all the ideas in this section,
and the one that follows, put together your specific
plan for how you are going to handle your child’s desire
to breastfeed during the night. It helps it you write
out your steps. |
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13:42:30 |
ElizabethPantley |
Pick a number of days that you are going to follow your
plan in total – 10 to 14 is often enough to see, if not
a complete change, at least enough success to keep you
motivated to stay your path. Plot your days on a
calendar, and arrange to take naps during the day if you
are extra tired, and if you can manage it. A reminder
to be patient! At any point during the night that either
you, your partner or your child are too upset to follow
the plan, go ahead and nurse her back to sleep. There is
no reason to push yourself or your child to the limit.
Just try again with the next night waking, or tomorrow
night. |
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13:43:15 |
mommy2emmy |
I know that every child is different but when should I
see a change?? |
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13:43:16 |
ElizabethPantley |
Just so you know -- in my new book I have a chapter
about wow to continue to co-sleep with a toddler
without all-night nursing -- we don't have time to cover
all of this, but wanted you to know that it is
possible!!!! |
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13:43:56 |
ElizabethPantley |
Most people see good changes within a week of consist
plan, but it can take a month to get to all-night sleep.
As a mom of 3 teenagers I can tell you that a month is a
blink of an eye. |
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13:44:09 |
ElizabethPantley |
And it is so worth it to handle your child gently. IN
the long run, you'll be proud you did. |
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13:44:23 |
ElizabethPantley |
Any last questions? |
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13:44:30 |
Mod_Beckie |
I do it now with my almost 3 year old, for almost a year
now she has been night weaned but still co-sleeping :) |
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13:44:36 |
Webmama_Tina |
i'd love to know your suggestions for a nearly 5 yr
old.... |
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13:44:39 |
ElizabethPantley |
See! |
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13:44:46 |
Webmama_Tina |
no nursing issues...she weaned at 3yrs... |
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13:45:01 |
Webmama_Tina |
but she just seems to be so wired at bedtime...even with
a good bedtime routine |
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13:45:07 |
ElizabethPantley |
I have tons of ideas for a 5 year old. Do you want some
general tips, or is there a specific problem? |
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13:46:06 |
Webmama_Tina |
well she gets so squirrely at bedtime....we do the teeth
brushing (which is often a fight), reading books,
scratching back, etc...but she's doing gymnastics in
bed... |
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13:46:21 |
ElizabethPantley |
Most 5 year old children are chronically sleep-deprived.
A 5 year old needs 11-12 hours of night sleep plus a
rest-time mid-day. Without this they can be overtired,
wired and don't sleep well....which creates more sleep
problems...which creates daytime issues like fussiness,
tantrums and the like |
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13:46:29 |
Webmama_Tina |
she sleeps in her twin bed next to our bed (pushed up
against ours) and is fine with that for the most
part...she just gets so wired... |
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13:46:42 |
Webmama_Tina |
she'll be 5 in november so she's not quite 5 |
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13:46:53 |
Webmama_Tina |
she doesn't nap |
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13:47:13 |
Webmama_Tina |
if she did she'd be up til past midnite....as it is she
doesn't get to sleep til after 10pm normally...and
sleeps in til about 8 or 9am |
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13:47:28 |
ElizabethPantley |
Here are a few important tips from my new book (The
No-Cry Sleep Solution for Toddlers & Preschoolers) |
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13:47:32 |
Webmama_Tina |
fussiness, tantrums, whining, yup...that's my dd |
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13:47:45 |
ElizabethPantley |
# 1 Maintain a consistent bedtime and awaking time.
Your child’s biological clock has a strong influence on
her wakefulness and sleepiness. When you establish a set
time for bedtime and wake up time you “set” your child’s
clock so that it functions smoothly. Aim for an early
bedtime. Young children respond best with a bedtime
between 6:30 and 7:30 P.M. Most children will sleep
better and longer when they go to bed early. |
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13:47:46 |
Webmama_Tina |
BIG time attitude
lately...rude/sassy...whining...fighting everything |
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13:48:20 |
Webmama_Tina |
i'd love that but how to work it back? she's been a
night owl since an infant |
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13:48:25 |
ElizabethPantley |
Many of those behaviors are signs of sleep deprivation -
whining, fussing, tantrums, stubbornness, etc |
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13:48:31 |
Webmama_Tina |
9pm is when we normally start our bedtime routine |
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13:48:41 |
ElizabethPantley |
Take advantage of your child’s biology so that he’s
actually tired when bedtime arrives. Darkness causes an
increase in the release of the body’s sleep hormone --
the biological “stop” button. You can align your child’s
sleepiness with bedtime by dimming the lights during the
hour before bedtime. Exposing your child to morning
light is pushing the “go” button in her brain — one that
says, “Time to wake up and be active.” So keep your
mornings bright! |
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13:48:42 |
Webmama_Tina |
she's not really ready for it before then...not even
close to tired |
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13:49:14 |
Webmama_Tina |
open the windows maybe? |
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13:49:36 |
ElizabethPantley |
A consistent, peaceful bedtime routine allows your child
to transition from the motion of the day to the tranquil
state of sleep. An hour of quiet, dimly-lit, peaceful
time can bring on sleepiness. |
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13:49:40 |
Webmama_Tina |
she sleeps like a log...i usually let her sleep til she
wakes up herself...cuz it can be so negative if i try to
wake her |
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13:49:43 |
ElizabethPantley |
Along with that white noise we talked about earlier |
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13:50:02 |
ElizabethPantley |
Many children don’t get enough daily physical activity.
Too much TV watching and a lack of activity prevents
good sleep. Children who get ample daily exercise fall
asleep more quickly, sleep better, stay asleep longer,
and wake up feeling refreshed. Avoid activity in the
hour before bedtime though, since exercise is
stimulating – they’ll be jumping on the bed instead of
sleeping in it! |
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13:50:17 |
Webmama_Tina |
hmmm, ok...we do quiet music usually...i've tried books
on tape after lights out but she doesn't care for them
usually |
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13:50:30 |
ElizabethPantley |
Many children get in bed but aren’t sure what to do when
they get there! It can help to follow a soothing pre-bed
routine that creates sleepiness. A good pre-bed ritual
is story time. A child who is listening to a parent read
a book or tell a tale will tend to lie still and listen.
This quiet stillness allows him to become sleepy. A few
books to read and then a book on tape is a great idea. |
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13:51:00 |
ElizabethPantley |
Try a different kind of story. There are those that are
boring and some that include sound effects and music,
too |
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13:51:08 |
Webmama_Tina |
ok that's definitely something else we need more
of...physical activity...its over 100 here now though
and the worst air in the country just about...so its a
challenge to find physical things in the summer |
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13:51:38 |
ElizabethPantley |
Have you tried building an opsticle course in the family
room? Pillows and things? It works well! |
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13:51:51 |
ElizabethPantley |
Swimming is perfect, too |
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13:52:02 |
Webmama_Tina |
hm....might have to try that |
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13:52:08 |
ElizabethPantley |
Any last questions before I go? |
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13:52:12 |
Webmama_Tina |
we're going to do swim lessons soon |
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13:52:16 |
Webmama_Tina |
thanks elizabeth! |
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13:52:23 |
mommy2emmy |
how long should a bedtime routine last |
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13:52:36 |
ElizabethPantley |
A good bedtime routine takes about an hour from start to
finish |
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13:52:46 |
ElizabethPantley |
It's not extra time you have to find in the day... |
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13:52:46 |
Webmama_Tina |
we could probably go on all day with questions, lol.... |
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13:53:00 |
ilovezoeystar |
how'd you become so smart, lol ;) |
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13:53:32 |
Webmama_Tina |
i've emailed cynthia to reschedule for the official chat
again....hopefully she'll be in touch with you
soon...and i'll double check with you as well to make
sure we're all on the same page this next time :) |
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13:53:33 |
ElizabethPantley |
4 children and worked with thousands and thousands of
parents!!!!! |
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13:53:34 |
cmdunn1972 |
*snicker* maybe from Baby einstein?? *ducks* |
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13:53:56 |
ElizabethPantley |
Well, I hope you'll all join us when we rescheule the
real chat!!! |
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13:54:00 |
ElizabethPantley |
This was fun today. |
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13:54:07 |
mommy2emmy |
Thanks a bunch |
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13:54:11 |
Webmama_Tina |
thanks so much elizabeth for taking time that wasn't
scheduled! :) |
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13:54:15 |
Webmama_Tina |
you're awesome! |
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13:54:17 |
ilovezoeystar |
LOL! You;re great, thanks! |
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13:54:20 |
cmdunn1972 |
thanks muchly! :) |
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13:54:28 |
Webmama_Tina |
i may just post these transcripts cuz there's great
stuff in here! |
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13:54:36 |
ElizabethPantley |
Hugs to all of you and your children too. |
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13:54:43 |
Webmama_Tina |
take care and we'll be in touch soon! |
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13:54:47 |
ElizabethPantley |
See" you soon." |
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13:54:53 |
Webmama_Tina |
:) |
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13:54:54 |
cmdunn1972 |
You're a real gem for taking the time... |
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13:55:15 |
Webmama_Tina |
oh and make sure to go to www.java.com and make sure you
have the current java program next time...just in case
that helps avoid another issue :) |
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13:55:24 |
ElizabethPantley |
:D |
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13:55:32 |
Webmama_Tina |
dunno if it will help or not, but worth a try. :) |
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13:55:40 |
Webmama_Tina |
ok mamas...see y'all later! |
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13:55:54 |
Webmama_Tina |
thanks for sticking around...my kiddos need me now... |
