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Mothering Magazine Sponsored Chat with Hathor the Cowgoddess --Hathor lives in the middle of urban sprawl with her dearest super-husband and three wee and wise kids. She has had an unassisted birth in the middle of her 700 square foot apartment, she breastfeeds on demand and in public, she shares sleep, maintains constant contact and unschools. Not only does she do all of this, she does it with grand style and verve. With extravagant and outrageous behavior. And with her trusty sidekick baby in a sling.

Hathor is the completely true product of the imagination of Heather Cushman-Dowdee, an outraged (because she might look distracted but she is paying attention! ) mama who has done almost all of the above (that part is autobiography)... except for the part that she totally makes up (those parts are wishful thinking). The raucous exploits of Hathor and her family are produced in comic form on the web and printed in many, many zines and magazines and books, too.

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2/8/06

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21:03:32 Webmama_Tina today we are so very happy to have hathor the infamous cow goddess with us!
21:03:44 Webmama_Tina hathor, how about a little intro on who you are?
21:03:49 hathor Hi Everyone and mooo!
21:04:11 Webmama_Tina and mamas, when you're ready with a question, just throw out a single question mark and i'll let ya know when its your time to ask hathor a question
21:04:15 Webmama_Tina moooooooooooooo LOL
21:04:25 hathor I'm the creator of the  Hathor comics you can see at www.thecowgoddess.com
21:04:26 Webmama_Tina <----------nak'n moo cow right now
21:04:37 hathor but you already knew that didn't you?
21:05:13 SusanMBurke ?
21:05:16 hathor But if you haven't seen them don't go there yet, cause there's about 300 + comics and you won't be back for a while
21:05:26 Webmama_Tina upcoming chatters:  SusanMBurke
21:05:27 hathor Hi Susan,
21:06:09 hathor got a question
21:06:14 SusanMBurke Hi!  I was wondering what your response is to people who give you a hard time" about home unschooling?  We have a 2 year old we are currently, I guess have always been , home unschooling."
21:07:02 hathor It depends on what their problem is? Usually it's socialization
21:07:20 SusanMBurke What do you say to them?
21:07:38 hathor I was talking to a woman the other day and she asked if we homeschooled and she said she was worried my children were'nt socialized
21:08:16 hathor This while my daughters are bagging their groceries, talking to the cashier, paying the money, hamming it up with the baggers
21:08:43 SusanMBurke exactly!  That and the whole, how will they learn if you don't make them do lesson sheets, etc.""
21:09:16 hathor I told her we were going to a park day to meet a bout 25 other kids and she said yeah, uh huh, cause I would be really worried that your kids aren't going to be socialized!""
21:09:44 Sufia ?
21:10:10 Webmama_Tina upcoming chatters:  Sufia
21:10:15 hathor Yep, I was worried in the beginning, and still worry sometimes. Is my daughter ever going to learn to walk, talk, read, climb the monkey bars? And then she does...
21:10:48 hathor Hi Sufia, your question?
21:10:56 Sufia As a former teacher, I'd be a lot more worried that they *would* be socialized...school style. :-O
21:11:42 hathor We hang out with a large group of homeschoolers and the friendships are easy, fun, fair, really calm and lovely
21:12:33 hathor Sure you have problems, arguements, troubles, conflicts but there's always a mom there to help smooth it over. The kids aren't left to fend for themselves
21:12:48 mama2bug ?
21:13:15 hathor Of course this idea, of a lurking mama tends to freak some people out. Our culture seems to like to get the babies as far away from the mama as possible
21:13:17 Webmama_Tina upcoming chatters:   mama2bug
21:13:46 hathor Like for instance, the California first 5 initiative to get all babies in preschool
21:14:03 hathor your question? mama 2 bug
21:14:22 mama2bug Did you find it difficult to connect with a group of like-minded mamas who you could form a playgroup/mama group with?
21:14:33 Webmama_Tina Welcome to this week's Mothering Sponsored chat! This is a moderated chat. Please make sure you read and fully understand the Moderated Chat Instructions before participating in this chat. Instructions can be found here: http://www.mommychats.com/modrules.htm ...A Friendly Reminder: Please do not post unless it is your turn to ask a question. If you have a question, please post a single ?" and you'll be added to the queue. Have your question ready when your name is called."
21:14:55 Punkrockmommy ?
21:15:00 hathor No. I always start at LLL meeeting at every new town (and I've lived in a lot)
21:15:13 Webmama_Tina upcoming chatters:   Punkrockmommy
21:15:30 hathor Then I join a homeschool group and they are everywhere, but usually worth a drive
21:15:51 hathor Or you can start your own... :D
21:16:31 hathor I just started a club called the Show and Tell club which meets monthly and the kids get to show and tell, this month it will be an olympics
21:16:50 hathor your question? Punkrockmommy
21:17:32 Punkrockmommy I have never heard of californias first 5 initiative? What is it?
21:18:26 hathor They want all kids in preschool, they are doing a massive ad campaign saying that if kids go to preschool they won't commit crimes or join gangs or be drop outs.
21:18:57 Sufia ?
21:19:08 hathor So it means that babies who stay with their mamas are going to become criminals? Sorry, I missed that study!
21:19:33 hathor Sufia your question?
21:20:13 hathor http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=47322
21:20:19 Sufia How do you manage to mother three kids and create so many great comics?  I can barely manage just dealing with my two.  Do you have a daily schedule or something?
21:20:56 hathor I found that adding the second baby was soooooo overwhelming! The third is much easier
21:21:40 hathor That being said, I am a follower of the continuum concept, in which the mother lives her life, does her work with her children in attendance
21:22:08 Webmama_Tina ?
21:22:22 hathor I wake up and right after breakfast when the kids are fresh I knock out a comic and post it and mail it...Takes about an hour
21:22:44 tarot ?
21:22:51 hathor Thenin the afternoon we do their stuff
21:23:03 hathor And my house looks like crapola!
21:23:03 Webmama_Tina upcoming chatters:  Webmama_Tina,  tarot
21:23:15 hathor Tina, your question?
21:23:19 Webmama_Tina :)
21:23:30 Webmama_Tina i'm so glad to hear someone else has a house that looks like crapola!
21:24:17 Webmama_Tina my question....well i have read the continuum concept to and i was wondering if you take any special time to play with your kids...i have a really hard time getting down and playing...i always am thinking of all the stuff i need to get done!
21:24:25 hathor Oh man, my MIL just left and we all exhaled (from keeping it clean for 6 days) and it looks like a tornado hit!
21:24:41 Webmama_Tina thinking about the cultures that the continuum concept refers too...i doubt much mamas play
21:25:22 hathor I don't play that much in the house, not pretend or anything, I love to dance with the girls
21:25:42 hathor And when we go out I love to play and jump rope and stuff
21:26:08 Webmama_Tina yeah i love doing stuff with the homeschooling groups we go to
21:26:25 Webmama_Tina playing is so hard for me though, at home and such...don't know why...daddy is much better at it...
21:26:46 hathor I love the book playful parenting and try to be that kind of fun, humorous, silly parent but the CC helps me to not feel so guilty when I say, I have to get this done, go play with your sisters
21:26:48 Webmama_Tina me, i'm always putting a load of laundry in or washing some dishes or nursing the baby or changing the baby...you know the drill
21:27:02 mama2bug ?
21:27:06 Webmama_Tina yeah i read that too and he says you have to play no matter what
21:27:15 Webmama_Tina that you have to even if you hate it...makes me feel real guilty
21:27:18 mairead ?
21:27:23 Webmama_Tina love his stuff though...really fun
21:27:40 hathor The guilt is so difficult!
21:27:44 Sufia ?
21:27:51 hathor Tarot your quesiton?
21:27:54 Webmama_Tina upcoming chatters:  tarot,  mama2bug,  mairead,  Sufia
21:28:20 tarot actually, Tina pretty much asked mine... about balancing kids and working at home... go on to the next person :)
21:28:37 hathor mama2bug your quesiton?
21:28:40 SusanMBurke ?
21:28:50 Webmama_Tina upcoming chatters: mairead, Sufia,  SusanMBurke
21:29:34 mama2bug What do you do about toddler-age kids who are always wanting to distract you when you are working- grabbing pencils, etc? I try distraction, or giving them their own tools" but some dys, nothing works."
21:29:35 hathor I joined the cc list and love to get the ideas on how to overcome guilt and feel confident
21:30:16 hathor I think the key is to know that *some* days it really doesn't work!
21:30:17 KristaH ?
21:30:34 hathor I try to remind myself that it's not a part of a bigger problem
21:31:01 hathor That nothing is wrong or broken, that my child is doing the best they can given the situation and
21:31:26 Webmama_Tina upcoming chatters: mairead, Sufia,  SusanMBurke,  KristaH
21:32:04 hathor move on to something else...some days I work during the night or I miss my *deadlines* but I'm working for myself so I can't speak to what it's like to have imposed deadlines
21:32:26 hathor mairead your quesiton?
21:32:29 mairead hi all great to be here missed the start anyway have a just 6 yr old homeschooling would like to have him play on his own outside daily any suggestions to make that appealing gets bored of using imagination and swing
21:32:43 Webmama_Tina upcoming chatters: Sufia,  SusanMBurke,  KristaH
21:33:55 hathor Sometimes it helps to start the game, and to give your child open ended toys...like a rope ladder for the tree, a rope some wood, hammers and nails? Pots and pans, mud a  pile of sticks to build a house?
21:34:48 hathor A shovel? And remember that as they get older they play more and more on their own. Maybe an hour today but by the time they are ,8 hours............
21:35:02 hathor Sufia your quesiton?
21:35:05 mairead thank you great
21:35:05 Sufia I've been reading Playful Parenting--just bought it recently.  I haven't read The CC yet, but I've heard an awful lot about it so I guess it's time to check it out.  Any other books you'd recommend?
21:35:40 hathor I'm reading Last Child in the Woods, Adbusters, Orion magazine,
21:36:13 hathor getting ready to read some Michel Odent and some CC books that were recommended
21:36:16 Webmama_Tina upcoming chatters: SusanMBurke, KristaH
21:36:29 hathor SusanMburke your quesiton?
21:36:33 SusanMBurke How long have you breast fed you children?  I am having a hard time lately with our 2 year old, what with a full mouth of teeth, and she has reverted back to nursing at night like a new born since she is not nursing as much during the day.
21:36:57 hathor Totally read the CC and check out Ishmael and My Ishmael...man they'll rock your world!
21:38:23 hathor So far all of my babies nursed until they were 3+, they both weaned when I was pregnant with the next one. As I added babies they slept better, perhaps because there are more of them in the bed. It can be tiring to think you'll never sleep again
21:38:37 hathor but you will... I promise!
21:39:14 Sufia ?
21:39:25 mama2bug ?
21:39:30 SusanMBurke Thanks :)
21:39:38 Webmama_Tina upcoming chatters: KristaH, Sufia ,  mama2bug
21:40:02 hathor My kids rarely nap either, we're too busy, they crash in the car or in my arms..and they sleep pretty well only waking me about every hour most nights, hee hee :crying
21:40:17 hathor KristaH your quesiton?
21:40:23 KristaH What is the CC?
21:40:55 mairead ?
21:40:58 hathor continuum concept  http://www.continuum-concept.org
21:40:58 SusanMBurke I guess every 2 is not bad then!
21:41:17 Webmama_Tina upcoming chatters: Sufia ,  mama2bug,  mairead
21:41:32 KristaH Thanks
21:41:41 hathor Yes, see you feel better now that you're normal! We should have 3 am chats hee hee
21:41:50 hathor Sufia your quesiton?
21:41:53 Sufia Does your family watch tv at all?  I'm so anti-commercialism but I'm not ready to kill my tv" just yet because there are some shows I'm not willing to give up.  I don't let the kids watch any kids' shows, though.  (Yeah, do as I say, not as I do.)"
21:41:58 Webmama_Tina chat rooms are always open!!
21:42:00 Webmama_Tina :)
21:42:02 Sufia There must be some way to work it out.
21:43:11 hathor We've lived with and without a tv. We have one now and an uneasy relationship with it. I have my fav shows, gotta have desperate housewives and lost or I'm lost! and West Wing, alas! cancelled!
21:43:57 hathor My kids go to bed about 7:30 (aian't I the task master?) and the tv goes on then.
21:44:08 hathor Sometimes.
21:45:06 hathor We let my 8 year old have a subscription to netflix and she can order a movie at a time and it comes and she can watch it once a day and then there are a blissful 3 days where it is gone and we're waiting for the next one!
21:45:16 Webmama_Tina upcoming chatters: mama2bug,  mairead
21:45:20 hathor That works pretty well for us
21:45:49 hathor right now, but life is about changing and any day I want to send my tv through the wall!
21:46:00 hathor mama2bug your quesiton?
21:46:08 mama2bug I love co-sleeping and plan to continue with future kiddos, but our king-sized bed is feeling crowded with just DH, myself and our one year old DD. How do you do it with three kids?! Do they make extra super large family-sized beds?
21:47:46 hathor I've heard they make huge ones for celebreties, but then you have to move it in and out of your house!We sleep on two queens pushed together: dh baby me (in constant rotation) my three year old and my eldest)
21:48:02 hathor I somehow always get the crack
21:48:18 hathor But I'm starting to see it as a zen thing
21:48:28 hathor or like a hammock
21:48:37 KristaH ?
21:48:42 hathor If I'm ever lost that's where I'll be!
21:48:58 hathor mairead your quesiton?
21:49:00 mairead re sleeping again my son weaned at 4 and half and did not sleep thro nite until then i was pregnant w twins and my milk stopped this i am sure of as he was able to tell me !! ha ha is there such a thing as not having sleepers as my girls are 1 now
21:49:12 mairead waking 1 hr after going down and nursing thro nite
21:49:21 Webmama_Tina Welcome to this week's Mothering Sponsored chat! This is a moderated chat. Please make sure you read and fully understand the Moderated Chat Instructions before participating in this chat. Instructions can be found here: http://www.mommychats.com/modrules.htm ...A Friendly Reminder: Please do not post unless it is your turn to ask a question. If you have a question, please post a single ?" and you'll be added to the queue. Have your question ready when your name is called."
21:49:50 KristaH Do you still live in your 700 square foot apartment?  And if so, how do you have a room that fits two queen sized beds?
21:49:53 mairead ps how old do you think its ok for your son to see his mum naked ?
21:49:57 KristaH oops, i'm sorry
21:50:15 Webmama_Tina :)
21:50:42 hathor My baby falls aslep at 7:30 and wakes up at 9:00 and nurses back to sleep and then many hours each hour, bless you for doing it with twins. I bow down to you!
21:52:34 hathor Haven't got a son, my girls are really comfortable with nakedness, but there isn't that stigma. It's a tough one. I'd want my son to be comfortable with my body, you are teaching him about love and respect and comfort. But you have to be careful about the culture police
21:53:34 mairead yeah no kidding i do not want to feel weird about it should move to france  ! and thanks for the bow down feels greattt to hear that
21:53:39 hathor The two beds HAD to fit, and they barely do, but it was non negotiable for me.
21:54:22 Sufia ?
21:54:47 hathor When I was in Amsterdam I saw a topless woman in a bikini bottom breastfeeding and standing in teh middle of a baby pool in a public park. It was soooooo COOL~!
21:54:59 hathor Sufia your quesiton?
21:55:35 Sufia So is it safe to assume I'm not the only one who's been getting into bed from the foot of it for years? ;-)
21:55:43 Webmama_Tina lol!
21:56:19 hathor Yes, another thing I learned in Europe, give everyone their own comforter so you don't have to pull them all down when you get out!
21:56:44 thatfatbaby ditto that lol
21:56:46 thatfatbaby ?
21:56:48 hathor We have 5 comforters so I don't wake anyone up
21:56:59 hathor thatfatbaby your quesiton?
21:57:33 thatfatbaby Actually I'm not sure what my question is but I guess the root of it is...does the mama of a high needs baby \need counseling or just a support group?
21:57:34 hathor and I haven't heard from leaky boobs! hee hee!
21:57:46 laurdsed ?
21:57:58 Leakyboobs lol
21:58:14 thatfatbaby lol love that screen name! My son is totally high needs but only when I'm around
21:58:19 thatfatbaby and i don't know what to do anymore
21:58:40 mama2bug ?
21:58:53 hathor I'd say a support group, because you have to be so careful about a therapist. Do they support AP? But I'd really open my mind and let the support of the group help me. You have to be open to their advic e which isn't often easy
21:58:58 Webmama_Tina upcoming chatters:   laurdsed,  mama2bug
21:59:08 Webmama_Tina 2min left in scheduled chat
21:59:29 hathor sometimes it's easy to think your baby is the only high needs one, but I think htey all are. In their own way.
21:59:51 thatfatbaby he screams from the moment he opens his eyes til well til i'm not in his sight
22:00:03 thatfatbaby he stays weekends with grandparents on weekends and never cries
22:00:43 Webmama_Tina april, haven't you been the one consistant person by his side through all his therapies, drs appts and surgeries and treatments though?
22:01:07 thatfatbaby yes so shouldn't he be HAPPY that i'm around?
22:01:14 Webmama_Tina lol you would thinkg
22:01:15 hathor Maybe this article would help? http://www.continuum-concept.org/reading/whosInControl.html
22:01:39 Webmama_Tina but i think its true when they say children act the worst with the one that they feel closest to
22:01:58 Webmama_Tina they know you're not going anywhere and can really cut loose and get it out
22:02:02 Webmama_Tina he's got a lot to get out
22:02:29 hathor and this one http://www.continuum-concept.org/reading/restoringHarmony.html and Im only passing it along because I have read them and am working on it! How old is he? My 2nd daughter has had a lot of surgeries too. It's not easy"
22:02:35 thatfatbaby i want to see a birth therapist
22:02:56 hathor You feel like it will never end, then IMO they shift?
22:02:56 thatfatbaby he'll be 2 in april
22:03:32 thatfatbaby i'm scared to death the aggression and tantrums wil continue til he's much older
22:03:58 hathor Oh man, I have a 1 year old who is screaming all the time, kind of a shriek? constant? yikes. Just breathe deep and take lots of walks
22:04:00 Webmama_Tina write to dr larry cohen of playful parenting...ask his advice...he does play therapy
22:04:25 hathor MIne doesn't do it as much hwen we are outside?
22:04:31 Webmama_Tina he's a big advocate of letting children get their emotions out
22:05:08 Webmama_Tina she got booted, woops
22:05:18 Webmama_Tina do you have time for the last 2?
22:05:28 hathor Yes
22:05:29 Webmama_Tina upcoming chatters:   laurdsed,  mama2bug
22:05:38 Webmama_Tina okey dokey mamas... laursed you're up!
22:05:40 laurdsed Hi Hathor!  Love your work.  I have a 22# 6 month old and have a hard time slinging him with my ring sling.  Too heavy!  Any suggestions?
22:06:10 thatfatbaby tried to click links and got booted repost links please or someone email them to me
22:06:12 hathor Try to remember YOUr child is doing the best they can with what they are dealing with. Try to figure out what is making their best not be good enough
22:06:40 Webmama_Tina april, the transcripts will be up soon too if you miss them
22:06:48 thatfatbaby TX
22:07:02 hathor A pouch can be good, or one of those shelves on a fanny pack? with the webbing I don't have a link...
22:07:05 kfein Thank you!
22:07:22 laurdsed My shoulder gets very sore after just a short time.  I love that you are slinging your baby in your work all the time.
22:07:55 hathor Mine run so much now I rarely get the time, but I always have a sling on for the off chance.
22:08:11 hathor That's what's so great about the sling, it has potential.
22:08:35 laurdsed I've tried a Mei Tai which is great for when we're out, but I'm looking for something more for around the house.
22:08:36 hathor backpacks aren't that great for wearing around without a baby! hee hee
22:09:59 hathor any more questions
22:10:11 mama2bug A frivolous question: Your kids are varying ages. What bought" toy has stood the test of time through all of them? (And doesn't drive you crazy? LOL)"
22:10:55 hathor We've moved so much and *lost* so many toys! Where did I put them?
22:11:20 hathor My kids are always happy with their play kitchen and art supplies.
22:12:07 kfein I want to keep nursing my 21-month-old until she's finished, but I'm wavering now.
22:12:08 hathor I have a lot of waldorf-y blocks and stuff that I love to play with! hee hee
22:12:22 kfein sorry - didn't mean to send that yet. k.
22:12:23 Leakyboobs ?
22:13:04 hathor There are always moments when you waver, weaning happens over a LONG period if it takes into account your child's feelings
22:13:52 hathor There are many many two year old moments when having a breast fulll of milk is very handy!
22:14:00 kfein I never really weaned my first child because I nursed her so long it was just easy.
22:14:01 Webmama_Tina hathor, do you need to get going? i see a couple more moms with questions...let us know if you have to go
22:14:44 hathor Just breathe through the low point would be my advice, and hang out with some mamas who have been there...
22:15:04 kfein thank you. that helps.
22:15:31 hathor I never tandem nursed though, so I'm not the best advocate for extended, extended nursing, just regular. Hee hee.
22:15:46 hathor Leakyboobs?
22:15:50 mairead thanks so much already for the great responses the bowing down comment made me feel great my breasts are huge because of feeding 2 i guess and being a lil over weight !! any other feel good thought s for me to say to myself its hard to deal with them somet
22:16:02 mairead oh god sorry was trying to delete
22:16:30 mairead well big boobs got ahead of leaky boobs!!
22:16:35 Leakyboobs Just curious (though you just answered the tandem question..)  How old were the girls when they nursed?
22:16:37 Leakyboobs LOL
22:16:47 Leakyboobs weaned too?
22:17:28 hathor You are a goddess! You are yummy! You're rocking the world of two (no three!) wee ones! Kiss Kiss and hug hug and go to the mirror right now and tell yourself that you are the rockingest, coolest, mama ever (besides Hathor, hee hee)
22:17:59 Webmama_Tina lol
22:18:09 mairead i a currently nursing twin 1 yr olds leaky ! i lie down and they just pull up to the table !! ha ha  almost always nurse together
22:18:49 mairead :bf  :bf  :bf  :bf  :heart:  :heart:  :heart:  :heart:  :nak:  :nak:  :D  :D  :D  :D
22:18:53 hathor MY first weaned when she was 3.5 my second when she was right at 3, both times I was 4 months pregnant at the time..I thought I wanted to tandem
22:18:54 thatfatbaby sounds like my two only they were 2.5 yrs apart in age
22:19:09 thatfatbaby i did too hathor then I DID lol
22:19:45 hathor But my emotions and breasts were so raw that I was feeling pretty mutual when they weaned.
22:20:27 Leakyboobs It seems to be pretty bittersweet for most...  :)  Thanks.
22:20:46 hathor Absolutely. and Thanks.
22:20:48 thatfatbaby kwym i am sure my dd would have weaned alot sooner if i hadn't had levi monkey see monkey do
22:22:29 hathor I've heard so many conflicting stories from mothers about whether they are happy to have weaned or not, to tandem or not
22:22:56 Webmama_Tina hathor, did you want to wrap up or continue? i can end the official chat and you can stick around and chit chat all you like :)
22:23:10 Leakyboobs My usual answer is simply that I'm too lazy to wean...  then you have to, like, do stuff when they get hurt or hungry or frustrated or etc etc etc...
22:23:30 hathor My babies were spaced pretty far so I didn't feel that conflicted. I wanted to tandem on a theoretical level but emotionally I'm glad I've been able to devote so much energy to each baby in turn
22:23:39 Webmama_Tina sorry i've been distracted w/my wee one...nusing/sleeping in my arms...was stirring a sec ago and tiook my attention
22:24:01 hathor And oh yes, almost all of my parenting skills can be chalked up to laziness...
22:24:16 hathor did I mention the state of my house? hee hee
22:24:22 Leakyboobs lol
22:24:40 hathor And thank you everyone! I had a blast but got to go get the wee ones to bed!
22:24:52 Webmama_Tina ok thank you soooo much hathor!
22:25:02 Webmama_Tina another awesome hathor cjat!
22:25:04 Sufia Goodnight!!!!!!  Thank you!!
22:25:06 Webmama_Tina chat even
22:25:08 Webmama_Tina lol
22:25:15 hathor Kissy kissy, hug hug all around! I'll send you a new funny in a couple of days!

 

 

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