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21:10:26 |
Webmama_Tina |
ok so tonite we are so pleased to have
hathor the cow goddess again |
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21:10:40 |
Webmama_Tina |
hathor, why don't you introduce
yourself! |
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21:10:58 |
hathor |
Hi I'm Hathor! hee hee. Actually, no, |
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21:11:04 |
Webmama_Tina |
and mamas throw out those question marks
whenever you're ready and i'll start the
queu |
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21:11:12 |
Webmama_Tina |
qeue |
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21:11:18 |
Webmama_Tina |
oh however you spell it, lol |
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21:11:32 |
hathor |
My name is really Heather and I'm a mild
mannered mama living in the outskirts of
santa monica. |
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21:12:09 |
hathor |
And I have an affinity for sharpie pens
and a silly need to toon about my
life... |
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21:12:23 |
hathor |
Of course a lot of it is just plain made
up. |
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21:12:45 |
hathor |
any questions? |
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21:12:51 |
vmarchant |
Yes I have one |
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21:12:58 |
Webmama_Tina |
go for it vmarchant |
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21:13:00 |
Webmama_Tina |
you're first |
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21:13:10 |
Webmama_Tina |
anyone else...please post a single
question mark |
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21:13:14 |
Webmama_Tina |
and i'll take note |
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21:13:19 |
juneau |
? |
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21:13:32 |
vanessagreene |
? |
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21:13:32 |
vmarchant |
So, Was the series I Told You So" made
up or a real conversation" |
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21:13:37 |
vmarchant |
? |
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21:13:56 |
Webmama_Tina |
upcoming chatters: juneau,
vanessagreene |
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21:14:02 |
hathor |
It was a conglomeration of about a ton
of conversations I've had...over and
over again! |
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21:14:17 |
vmarchant |
? |
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21:14:34 |
Webmama_Tina |
oh post your link hathor, i'm sure some
of us would like to check out what
you're talking about, LOL |
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21:14:35 |
hathor |
I try so hard to walk the line between
being a supportive listener and yelling
and screaming at the person |
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21:14:52 |
hathor |
http://www.thecowgoddess.com |
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21:15:11 |
hathor |
http://www.thecowgoddess.com/archshow.asp?var=214
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21:15:29 |
vmarchant |
So, do you notice any particular
characteristics shared by all the people
with whom you've had these
conversations ? |
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21:15:32 |
hathor |
http://www.thecowgoddess.com/archshow.asp?var=215
|
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21:16:15 |
hathor |
They don't seem to trust themself and
that lack is almost impossible to help
them with... |
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21:16:37 |
hathor |
And then they don't trust that what
you're saying will actually work for
them |
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21:17:00 |
juneau |
You often keep me sane--how do you stay
sane when the messages are so constant
and battering from the culture around
us? -- |
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21:17:09 |
Webmama_Tina |
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21:17:16 |
hathor |
And when it doesn't, they distrust you
even more and suspect you have been
misleading them all along! |
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21:17:17 |
Webmama_Tina |
upcoming chatters: juneau,
vanessagreene |
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21:18:02 |
MyBabyandMore |
? |
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21:18:22 |
hathor |
Hi Juneau, I'm pretty blessed to be in
california where there are a LOT of
mamas parenting this way. I'm one of the
least radical of my group. hee hee |
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21:18:45 |
milk_maker |
? |
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21:19:08 |
hathor |
It helps keep me sane, but doesn't
always give me inspiration (for the
comics) |
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21:19:14 |
radicalmama |
? |
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21:19:19 |
Webmama_Tina |
upcoming chatters: vanessagreene,
vmarchant, MyBabyandMore, milk_maker |
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21:19:30 |
vanessagreene |
I know from your info that you had an
unassisted birth....how did you get up
the guts to do that? |
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21:19:34 |
juneau |
Ah well, I moved to Ohio from So Cal
when I was three months pregnant. Dd is
a year old now and it's hard to always
remember to trust myself when everyone
around is listenting to advertising... |
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21:19:37 |
hathor |
When I walk up to a parkday and all the
mamas have a baby on their breast... I
think well, that's finished! |
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21:20:37 |
hathor |
When I moved to NC two years ago, I was
reminded how far we need to go still.
The sling is still a surprise |
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21:20:53 |
hathor |
and I was uncomfortable nursing in
public sometimes! |
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21:21:17 |
hathor |
Hi vanessagreene, in the beginning it
was a money issue |
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21:21:36 |
hathor |
My first homebirth was in Florida and
medicaid paid for a homebirth |
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21:22:14 |
hathor |
I literally could not afford a midwife
and so that opened me up to the idea,
the consideration of unassisted |
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21:22:52 |
hathor |
Then I started researching and realized
that was the way I needed to birth...and
it was really perfect |
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21:23:01 |
vanessagreene |
I can't even convince my husband to have
a home birth! |
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21:23:39 |
hathor |
husband can be tricky, but it's really
your choice, your health, your body. |
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21:23:57 |
vanessagreene |
:D |
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21:24:00 |
hathor |
You have the hormones, the intuition,
it's you that are doing the work |
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21:24:13 |
Mama_Bear |
hey mamas |
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21:24:25 |
hathor |
My dh was really worried about the
homebirth with midwife and he asked her
about safety |
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21:24:47 |
Webmama_Tina |
upcoming chatters: vmarchant,
MyBabyandMore, milk_maker, radicalmama |
|
21:24:51 |
Webmama_Tina |
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21:25:04 |
hathor |
The midwife told him that there isn't
much that can go wrong that you don't
have plenty of time to prepare for |
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21:25:10 |
vanessagreene |
my next will be a vbac and I really want
to be at home as far away from an
operating room as possible. |
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21:25:40 |
hathor |
You can see trouble coming and can
transfer, easily. With a vbac that might
be your only option |
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21:25:41 |
vanessagreene |
i guess i just have to work on
him....thanks hathor |
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21:26:02 |
hathor |
a lot of hospitals won't even let you
get close to a vbac |
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21:26:16 |
vanessagreene |
its a bit different up here in canada |
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21:26:48 |
hathor |
next question? |
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21:27:21 |
Webmama_Tina |
vanessagreene here's a page of links
that i set up:
http://fresnofamily.com/pgbirth/homebirth/hblinks.htm
|
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21:27:26 |
vmarchant |
Do you think there's a connection
between American culture's discomfort
with Do Do you think there's a
connection between our culture's
discomfort with public breastfeeding and
the culture's perception of the human
body, particularly women's bodies? |
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21:27:28 |
vanessagreene |
ty |
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21:27:35 |
hathor |
http://www.unassistedhomebirth.com/fathers/
|
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21:27:58 |
Webmama_Tina |
upcoming chatters: MyBabyandMore,
milk_maker, radicalmama |
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21:28:05 |
hathor |
totally. |
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21:28:18 |
MyBabyandMore |
am I up? |
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21:28:24 |
Webmama_Tina |
not yet |
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21:28:30 |
MyBabyandMore |
k :) |
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21:28:31 |
Webmama_Tina |
just letting you know the line up. :) |
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21:28:34 |
hathor |
When I was working as an artist I used
breastmilk in my work alot and it really
freaked people out |
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21:29:06 |
hathor |
the idea of leaking and seeing and
possibly getting near a lactating mother
is really strange to some people |
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21:29:26 |
vmarchant |
here in the US, but not elsewhere? |
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21:29:29 |
hathor |
they should of course be ashamed of
themselves and get a good therapist! |
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21:29:51 |
Webmama_Tina |
ah here's the book i was looking
for...to share with you vanessagreene
and anyone else that wants it :)
http://www.birthingtheeasyway.tk/
|
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21:29:58 |
vanessagreene |
ty |
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21:30:14 |
Webmama_Tina |
:) |
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21:30:16 |
hathor |
Well, I haven't been everywhere but I've
been a lot of places where they just
breastfeed |
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21:30:36 |
hathor |
it's just what they do. |
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21:31:10 |
hathor |
Bali, southern europe...it's funny that
northern europe is similar to us.
uptight |
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21:31:44 |
hathor |
Next Question MyBabyandMore ? |
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21:32:07 |
Webmama_Tina |
upcoming chatters: MyBabyandMore,
milk_maker, radicalmama |
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21:32:25 |
Webmama_Tina |
you're up MyBabyandMore |
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21:32:39 |
MyBabyandMore |
Hi Heather! You mention the lack of
trust Mamas have in knowing what is best |
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21:32:46 |
MyBabyandMore |
for them and ther family. |
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21:33:02 |
MyBabyandMore |
How did youlearn to trust yourself? |
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21:33:21 |
hathor |
When I had my first baby I had her in
the hospital |
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21:33:32 |
MyBabyandMore |
And what advice would you give other
Mamas so that they may trust their own
instincts? |
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21:34:04 |
hathor |
I had a bunch of breastfeeding problems
and my husband (who's boss was married
to a lll leader) told me to call lll |
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21:34:38 |
hathor |
That was really my turning point. I knew
I wanted to breastfeed but I was cracked
and bleeding and funky and yucky |
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21:34:50 |
hathor |
and weepy and cryy and all that |
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21:35:07 |
hathor |
I went to a lll meeting and checked out
the continuum concept. |
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21:35:34 |
hathor |
started to read...and then remembered a
lot that I had seen in Bali women
carrying their children |
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21:36:15 |
hathor |
at the time I had seen them as the OTHER
and not considered it, but once I read
TCC I started to sling the baby and life
was so much better |
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21:36:37 |
hathor |
Then, trust began. My baby taught me. |
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21:37:20 |
MyBabyandMore |
They teach us so much! |
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21:37:57 |
hathor |
I was lucky that the balinese had
modeled such good behaviour |
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21:38:21 |
hathor |
Now, I think it is up to those of us who
get it to model that good behavior for
others |
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21:38:51 |
hathor |
since they don't usually have a lot of
time to learn to trust their bodies
before the c-section happens |
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21:39:17 |
hathor |
or the milk dries up. Our window of
opportunity is quite small, |
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21:39:39 |
hathor |
I happen to think humor is helpful. |
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