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20:08:08 |
hathor |
Okay...well I don't see tina so perhaps
we can get started with a question....I
was hoping |
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20:08:12 |
synnora |
whoo hoo, so when do we post a question
mark to ask questions? |
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20:08:26 |
iamthesmilingone |
testing |
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20:08:34 |
iamthesmilingone |
(first time in here) |
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20:08:42 |
tori4man |
you are here |
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20:08:47 |
iamthesmilingone |
:) |
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20:08:51 |
vmarchant |
What's the topic of discussion? |
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20:09:08 |
hathor |
we could talk about action plans and
breastfeeding, but anyone is welcome to
digress! so let's do a question mark or
two |
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20:09:17 |
vmarchant |
? |
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20:09:21 |
synnora |
? |
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20:09:25 |
iamthesmilingone |
? |
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20:09:34 |
mamaofthree |
?? |
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20:09:38 |
iamthesmilingone |
lol- that the heck does that mean!?!? |
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20:09:51 |
vmarchant |
Two questions, I think |
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20:10:06 |
hathor |
Okay vmarchant my wee one has a bathing
suit on her head! |
|
20:10:08 |
iamthesmilingone |
Is it like raising your hand? |
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20:10:22 |
mamaofthree |
No, she just said a question mark or
two, I was being different! LOL :D |
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20:10:22 |
snarfywarning |
Yeah smiling |
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20:10:23 |
vmarchant |
LOL mine just fell asleep NAk |
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20:10:46 |
hathor |
yes, and I'm gonna keep track somehow
and talk cause Tina isn't here yet! *) |
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20:10:57 |
vmarchant |
Hathor, what types of breastfeeding
action do you think need to take place
to change the world"?" |
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20:11:01 |
wendy1221 |
I'm nak w/ the 7 mo old and the 2 yo is
chanting na na na na na |
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20:11:17 |
hathor |
Well, I'm thinking we need to get pretty
proactive |
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20:11:32 |
vmarchant |
How? |
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20:11:38 |
hathor |
in one week I got 4 action alerts that
were pretty freaky |
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20:11:54 |
hathor |
I'm seeing that the world has gotten
really anti-child |
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20:12:04 |
hathor |
very anti mother |
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20:12:31 |
hathor |
and I hate to use the dreaded family
values words because they are so
charged, but where the heck are they? |
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20:12:39 |
hathor |
the family values I mean |
|
20:12:58 |
vmarchant |
Depends on whose family values, I gues |
|
20:12:59 |
hathor |
So I think we should try and get beyone
the reactionary |
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20:13:08 |
hathor |
oh yes! |
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20:13:19 |
vmarchant |
Reactionary? |
|
20:13:30 |
hathor |
Although reactionary is good, because
that's where my jokes come from |
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20:13:55 |
hathor |
yes, like we wait until a mama gets
asked to leave a store and THEN we have
a nurse in |
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20:14:17 |
mamaofthree |
I like the pink. LOL |
|
20:14:38 |
hathor |
we're waiting to react, and then we do
but we come off as being too
earnest,reactionary and |
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20:15:30 |
hathor |
upset...which they use against us (they
being the meanies who started it in the
first place) |
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20:15:48 |
synnora |
Can anyone comment on what you say or do
we have to wait until our name is
called? I have a question however I
have input on thi squestion as well. |
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20:16:00 |
c_something |
Hello, everyone! Sorry I was a little
late! Couldn't figure out how to get in!
But I finally made it! |
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20:16:28 |
hathor |
I'm thinking we need to get proactive
with the family values, education and
information and lactivation |
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20:16:34 |
vmarchant |
Perhaps we don't need better family
values" but rather better "valuing of
families"?" |
|
20:16:46 |
mamaofthree |
YES! |
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20:16:51 |
hathor |
Hey synnora your question |
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20:17:06 |
hathor |
absolutely on the valuing of families! |
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20:17:21 |
snarfywarning |
Good point Vm. :) |
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20:17:28 |
vmarchant |
thx |
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20:17:35 |
hathor |
Also, family values doesnt HAVE to be
so conservative... |
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20:17:50 |
hathor |
synnora? |
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20:18:11 |
synnora |
It is a breastfeeding question I hope
you can help with. I am currently 6
months pregnant and milk is dried up but
Adam is nursing more and more and it is
really making me fatigued. |
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20:18:18 |
synnora |
LONGgg question sorry |
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20:18:26 |
wendy1221 |
I think at least half of the adults in
this country have attachment disoreders
of some degree--makes it hard for them
to value anythiing but themselves |
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20:18:46 |
synnora |
Is there anyway to increase supply when
pregnant or gently lessen the nightly
nursing? |
|
20:19:36 |
synnora |
or is that not the type of breastfeeding
questions you were going for? |
|
20:20:02 |
hathor |
Well, I never made it past the third
month pregnant before my milk dried up
and my big kids started to wean... |
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20:20:19 |
wendy1221 |
we did daddy snuggling when I was pg w/
my 7 mo old, and sleeping w/ daddy
between us. 2yo started sleeping thru
the night. Don't think there's any way
to increase supply while pg |
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20:20:31 |
hathor |
sorry it took me so long, I'm on my own
tonight and the kids are trying to make
fish sticks! |
|
20:20:59 |
synnora |
My hubby is very selfish with sleep and
is no help at allpast 8pm at night. :( |
|
20:21:04 |
hathor |
Yeah, and the 'fatigue' doesn't really
go away... |
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20:21:10 |
Webmama_Tina |
I'M SOOOOOOO SORRY MAMAS!!!! |
|
20:21:12 |
wendy1221 |
I dried up early as well, but my guy
didn't seem to care. He nursed like
crazy at first, them slowed way down |
|
20:21:23 |
Webmama_Tina |
i can't believe i totally flaked! :( |
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20:21:35 |
earthmama369 |
Hormones have so much to do with it, and
to a large extent that's just how it
goes, but I've found that rest and
keeping my fluid intake up has really
helped with soreness and basic supply
(I'm 34 weeks, dd is 17 months) |
|
20:21:39 |
Webmama_Tina |
i knew it would happen eventually that
would happen...first time ever! |
|
20:21:41 |
snarfywarning |
It's okay. We forgive you Tina. :P |
|
20:21:44 |
Webmama_Tina |
:) |
|
20:21:46 |
earthmama369 |
That said, rest is pretty hard to come
by sometimes. . . . |
|
20:21:46 |
Webmama_Tina |
thank you |
|
20:21:50 |
hathor |
I've never had the glory of tandem
nursing. :( |
|
20:21:56 |
vmarchant |
It's OK- Hathor has the list of
questioners |
|
20:22:01 |
snarfywarning |
Tandem nursing is my dream <3 |
|
20:22:11 |
synnora |
really? I am so excited I can't wait,
it is just this dry nursing that is
painful |
|
20:22:16 |
wendy1221 |
It's more of a pain, but there are times
that make it worth it. lol |
|
20:22:31 |
hathor |
Hi tina, I'm making fish sticks
answering and moderating! |
|
20:22:37 |
hathor |
Holy cow! |
|
20:22:42 |
snarfywarning |
My little one is still only 11 weeks,
but I can't wait until the day that his
little bro or sis is gobblieng at the
other side. lol. |
|
20:22:45 |
Webmama_Tina |
ok good :) i'm here now...what would you
like me to do hathor? want me to set up
the room and go the regular route or are
you happy with the set up the way it is
now? :) |
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20:22:47 |
vmarchant |
It's another mommy miracle! |
|
20:22:51 |
earthmama369 |
Lansinoh is your friend during dry
nursing!! |
|
20:22:58 |
momtoone |
hi all |
|
20:23:02 |
Webmama_Tina |
hathor you are THE woman! :) |
|
20:23:06 |
Webmama_Tina |
er cow |
|
20:23:07 |
synnora |
really I have it leftover from his early
days, I never really needed it then. |
|
20:23:09 |
Webmama_Tina |
lol |
|
20:23:11 |
girlie_librarian |
lol to the Lansinoh! |
|
20:23:11 |
snarfywarning |
Cow-woman. :D |
|
20:23:15 |
Webmama_Tina |
rolf |
|
20:23:17 |
Webmama_Tina |
rolf |
|
20:23:18 |
Webmama_Tina |
even |
|
20:23:19 |
Webmama_Tina |
something |
|
20:23:24 |
snarfywarning |
Rofl? |
|
20:23:24 |
wendy1221 |
lol |
|
20:23:25 |
snarfywarning |
hahah. |
|
20:23:26 |
hathor |
iamthesmilingone your questoin? |
|
20:23:31 |
Webmama_Tina |
anyway, oh boy i can't believe i did
that...put it on my calendar and
everything |
|
20:24:01 |
earthmama369 |
it doesn't help the inner soreness, but
it sure helps the outer, and every
little bit of sanity I can grab is a
good thing ;) |
|
20:24:02 |
iamthesmilingone |
When does milk dry up and if how
possible would it be to nurse an adopted
baby? |
|
20:24:24 |
hathor |
you guys could throw in your question
marks again, I'm kinda lost! |
|
20:24:27 |
iamthesmilingone |
I can still get a little out and it's
been SIX years |
|
20:24:34 |
Webmama_Tina |
i'll gather the list now for ya |
|
20:25:38 |
wendy1221 |
hey, my mom started leaking when she
babysat my ds for a semester and it had
been 22 years for her! |
|
20:26:03 |
iamthesmilingone |
:yikes: |
|
20:26:04 |
hathor |
For me it was a combination of things,
my milk was really low, my kids are
spaced 3.5 years apart and my fatigue
for lack of a better word was too big |
|
20:26:09 |
iamthesmilingone |
Not that that is a bad thing! |
|
20:26:29 |
Webmama_Tina |
ok somebody PM me the list |
|
20:26:35 |
Webmama_Tina |
and i'll take it from here. :) |
|
20:26:54 |
wendy1221 |
what list? |
|
20:26:56 |
iamthesmilingone |
It might be kind of neat to nurse my
grandbabies in a ten years or
whenever... |
|
20:27:26 |
hathor |
Of course it goes without saying that
3.5 years is still very young! |
|
20:27:31 |
snarfywarning |
That would be so amazing!! Tho..I can't
imagine my mom nursing Elijah. lol |
|
20:27:50 |
hathor |
I'm a huge supporter of tandem nursing I
just didn't make it |
|
20:28:03 |
mamaofthree |
How do you convince someone who believes
they can't breastfeed, who thinks their
body wasn't made to do it that their
body |
|
20:28:24 |
hathor |
That is an excellent question! |
|
20:28:39 |
mamaofthree |
can do it. I have a friend who honestly
believes she can not ever nurse. I am
not sure what to say with out sounding
all preachy |
|
20:28:53 |
iamthesmilingone |
I had my first at 20 so if she had her
first at 20, I'd still only be 40. I
know women who are first time moms at 40 |
|
20:28:57 |
hathor |
Our culture is getting so dis-eased with
their bodies.. |
|
20:29:05 |
Webmama_Tina |
wendy1221 ---list of who's in line to go
next? |
|
20:29:18 |
mamaofthree |
and turning her off all together. She
thinks the fact that I nurse beyond
infancy is weird! |
|
20:29:28 |
wendy1221 |
yeah, but a 3.5 year old is at least at
an age where self weaning is normal. I
think you have to work really hard to
keep an older toddler nursing thru pg.
Mine turned 2 6 days after new baby was
born |
|
20:29:33 |
hathor |
and we are all so sure that we are
especially broken |
|
20:30:06 |
hathor |
It's important to remind people that
there is nothing special about them |
|
20:30:21 |
wendygrace30 |
Tina, there was only one mama left on
the list who hadn't had her question
answered (who put up a question mark)
but I don't remember who that was. |
|
20:30:31 |
mamaofthree |
True. It seems so normal" to be
abnormal!" |
|
20:30:38 |
Webmama_Tina |
ok good thanks wendy |
|
20:31:09 |
hathor |
I remember going to LLL meetings and
there is always one mother who CANT
breastfeed" |
|
20:31:22 |
wendy1221 |
I think there's way too much propaganda
saying how you might not be able to
nurse |
|
20:31:29 |
hathor |
and she takes up the whole meeting
dwelling in her life |
|
20:31:57 |
hathor |
I've had cracked nipples, mastitis 5
times, poor latch, colick, overactive
letdown, |
|
20:32:09 |
mamaofthree |
I knew a nurse who had NO milk ducts.
(That is what her doctor told her!) yet
she always goyt ingorged post birth? |
|
20:32:35 |
hathor |
exzema on my nipples, etc. etc. yet it
never crossed my mind that I couldn't do
it |
|
20:32:51 |
wendy1221 |
that might actually be possible. not
probable tho |
|
20:33:03 |
iamthesmilingone |
All I had to do was smell formula and I
knew I could tough it out |
|
20:33:10 |
hathor |
So depending on the mother I'd tell her
there was nothing special about her and
that she just needs to throw away the
bottles and get cracking! |
|
20:33:15 |
tututwo2 |
hi everyone.i'm new at this but
breastfeeding is my passion |
|
20:33:30 |
tututwo2 |
get cracking haha |
|
20:33:40 |
c_something |
me to tututwo2 |
|
20:33:55 |
hathor |
I'd be really suspicious of that doctor!
did you see my new comic? :D |
|
20:33:55 |
synnora |
ditto!! |
|
20:33:58 |
iamthesmilingone |
no pun intended lol |
|
20:33:59 |
mamaofthree |
Thank you Hathor |
|
20:34:06 |
tututwo2 |
aloha i'm in hawaii |
|
20:34:09 |
wendy1221 |
If you talk to successful moms it seems
like most of them either grew up around
it or had a friend who nursed |
|
20:34:26 |
hathor |
Hi Hawaii, we're going to Maui in July
so psyched! |
|
20:34:42 |
synnora |
Just got back from Hawaii last week. |
|
20:34:44 |
iamthesmilingone |
My mom didn't nurse and I didn't ever
see a woman nurse |
|
20:34:55 |
tututwo2 |
i held off for 5 years having a second
baby cause bottle feeding was the worst |
|
20:35:10 |
MCatLvr+DHof12yrs=1DD+1DS&5Cats |
until i had my dd the only other person
i knew that bf was my aunt and i was to
little to member it |
|
20:35:23 |
wendy1221 |
when my ds1 as 5 days old the doc told
me I needed to start giving him bottles
b/c I'd soon get sick of that" and then
he'd refuse to take them" |
|
20:35:27 |
earthmama369 |
it was definitely a friend for me -- she
had her son a year before me and was
AVID about breastfeeding over formula |
|
20:35:30 |
hathor |
is there a new question? |
|
20:35:40 |
tututwo2 |
i breastfed my next 2 and became a
zealot. a friend led me to LLL and that
was the ticket |
|
20:35:46 |
hathor |
I just got the fishsticks out of the
oven! |
|
20:35:59 |
Webmama_Tina |
throw your question marks out mamas,
i'll gather them |
|
20:36:16 |
MCatLvr+DHof12yrs=1DD+1DS&5Cats |
the thought that i might not be able to
bfed never entered my mind to me there
was no other choice |
|
20:36:27 |
synnora |
? |
|
20:36:30 |
wendy1221 |
mee too |
|
20:36:43 |
hathor |
I was talking in the beginning about
action plans... |
|
20:36:47 |
Webmama_Tina |
upcoming chatters: synnora |
|
20:36:50 |
hathor |
synnora? |
|
20:36:54 |
synnora |
Here I am again |
|
20:36:58 |
Persephone |
once, i was battling with thrush, and i
considered formula for a second,
pictured my dd with a bottle in her
mouth, and resolved to keep at it |
|
20:37:24 |
hathor |
Yeah, it's good to have a healthy
disdain for bottles to keep you on the
path |
|
20:37:28 |
tututwo2 |
hey hathor, i just ordered a print from
you for my daughter who has exclusively
breastfed twins cause she LIVES the
family bed |
|
20:37:36 |
synnora |
So Hathor..how are your kids doing? Did
you nurse all three kids? Were you a
late bloomer to Ap or was it intinct
from beginning? |
|
20:37:50 |
hathor |
And the support of dh |
|
20:38:08 |
tututwo2 |
are we only supposed to be posting
questions? |
|
20:38:09 |
wendy1221 |
my best friend from elementary came and
found me at my parents over xmas. Her
mom thinks bf is gross, but my friend is
bf. She says b/c she remembers my mom
doing it and how peaceful and right it
looked |
|
20:38:18 |
hathor |
I was a totally late bloomer, I had
never heard of midwives with my first,
until about halfway through |
|
20:38:45 |
hathor |
my husband was in construction and his
boss' wife was a LLL leader |
|
20:39:17 |
hathor |
one night at a party I told a group of
LLL members that I intended to nurse
until the baby was 3 months old |
|
20:39:17 |
tututwo2 |
the more kids (persons) are exposed to
breastfeeding the more it becomes the
norm |
|
20:39:18 |
Webmama_Tina |
ok something just happened to my
connection...sorry, i'm back |
|
20:39:27 |
synnora |
lol wow 3 months!! |
|
20:39:33 |
c_something |
? |
|
20:39:38 |
Webmama_Tina |
lets let synnora and hathor have the
floor now please :) |
|
20:39:44 |
Webmama_Tina |
upcoming chatters: c_something |
|
20:39:55 |
hathor |
Yep. I thought that was a really long
time! then when I had difficulties in
the beginning |
|
20:40:28 |
synnora |
The good thing is that LL memberrs are
usually very sweet and supportive and
said good for you for going that long at
least but keep your mind open to
extending it |
|
20:40:41 |
hathor |
it was my dh who made me call LLL and
then at a meeting I read the Continuum
concept |
|
20:41:06 |
hathor |
so my first was only in a carseat carier
for about 3 months! |
|
20:41:21 |
earthmama369 |
dh and dd home . . . gotta go. Thanks
for the chat! |
|
20:41:27 |
hathor |
Yes, they were very supportive of my
crazy ideas! |
|
20:41:49 |
hathor |
nextquestion? |
|
20:42:02 |
synnora |
I bet, I love my leader she always say
things like Good job momma, but you may
be surprised how much you enjoy it. And
I know the whole time she is thinking
errr...that short? |
|
20:42:06 |
mamaofthree |
? |
|
20:42:07 |
Webmama_Tina |
c_something you're up |
|
20:42:26 |
Webmama_Tina |
upcoming chatters: mamaofthree (after
c_something ) |
|
20:42:47 |
vmarchant |
? |
|
20:42:52 |
c_something |
I am in the process of passing some
kidney stones... people are telling me
that passing the stone is more painful
than child birth |
|
20:42:52 |
hathor |
I think LLL is just amazing! |
|
20:43:08 |
c_something |
have any knowledge of that? |
|
20:43:10 |
Webmama_Tina |
upcoming chatters: mamaofthree
vmarchant |
|
20:43:27 |
synnora |
Husband had itr and yes just as bad. |
|
20:43:28 |
hathor |
Nope I've never had them, but I can
imagine they would be more painful |
|
20:44:01 |
hathor |
since birth is different than pain sort
of unbearably.....can't think of the
word |
|
20:44:17 |
Persephone |
? |
|
20:44:32 |
hathor |
I thought a tattoo was worse than
childbirth too |
|
20:44:49 |
wendy1221 |
? |
|
20:44:53 |
hathor |
mamaofthree? |
|
20:44:55 |
c_something |
ok thanks, |
|
20:44:55 |
mamaofthree |
How would you say the CC changed your
way of parenting? |
|
20:45:05 |
hathor |
In every way |
|
20:45:24 |
hathor |
I started carrying my baby |
|
20:45:24 |
synnora |
CC? |
|
20:45:38 |
Webmama_Tina |
upcoming chatters: mamaofthree
vmarchant Persephone wendy1221 |
|
20:45:54 |
hathor |
and striving to meet her expectations in
other ways, such as letting her roam
without my hover |
|
20:46:08 |
Webmama_Tina |
CC=continuum concept |
|
20:46:12 |
hathor |
I think it is a brilliant book
(continuum concept) |
|
20:46:12 |
synnora |
ty |
|
20:46:17 |
Webmama_Tina |
great book! :) |
|
20:46:19 |
mamaofthree |
Was it right away? |
|
20:46:27 |
tututwo2 |
grandchildren crashing through the door,
gotta go play, was fun being with like
minded women. AP all the way!! |
|
20:46:33 |
hathor |
It's a really good book for young people
pre pregnancy |
|
20:46:41 |
Webmama_Tina |
by tutu |
|
20:46:42 |
Webmama_Tina |
:) |
|
20:47:08 |
hathor |
Yeah, I read it a 3 months and had that
epiphany that us AP mamas get where
suddenly it just makes sense! |
|
20:47:24 |
wendy1221 |
I took an anthro class while pg w/ ds1
and got similar ideas :) |
|
20:48:00 |
hathor |
yes, anthropology is so wonderful for
tuning us into a better way to parent |
|
20:48:26 |
hathor |
I was in Bali right before I got
pregnant and witnessed a completely
different parenting syle |
|
20:48:44 |
hathor |
before I had any idea how our culture
parented |
|
20:48:58 |
hathor |
but after I read CC it all clicked into
place |
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20:49:15 |
mamaofthree |
Thank you |
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20:49:21 |
hathor |
babies were born to be perfect |
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20:49:31 |
hathor |
next question? |
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20:49:37 |
mamaofthree |
YES! |
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20:49:40 |
MOD_Angie |
upcoming chatters: vmarchant
Persephone wendy1221 |
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20:49:50 |
vmarchant |
A little over a year ago, I wrote an
article for Mothering about
Breastfeeding Legislation. Another
pregnancy and birth later, I am writing
for them again on the topic of public
breastfeeding. NIP" ing was the theme of
your calendar...In your opinion," |
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20:49:52 |
Webmama_Tina |
upcoming chatters: vmarchant
Persephone wendy1221 |
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20:49:59 |
Webmama_Tina |
oh woops, sorry angie |
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20:50:03 |
Webmama_Tina |
you got it now apparently, LOL |
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20:50:14 |
Webmama_Tina |
boy this nite just is so off for me, LOL |
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20:50:21 |
vmarchant |
how has the public response to
breastfeeding changed since you gave
birth to your first? |
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20:50:33 |
vmarchant |
(also media response) |
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20:50:53 |
hathor |
Well when I first had kids I was in the
SE of USA and there is still a LONG |
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20:51:20 |
hathor |
way to go to accept NIP there, I was
uncomfortable aand Heck I'm a goddess |
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20:51:52 |
hathor |
now I'm in CA and it seems like everyone
NIPs so I have a slanted impression of
it |
|
20:51:57 |
vmarchant |
(Here in the NE, in some places, it
isn't much different) |
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20:52:06 |
hathor |
but if the action alerts I get are any
indication there |
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20:52:29 |
hathor |
are lots of confrontations and
increasing |
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20:52:43 |
hathor |
dramas, could it be backlash? |
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20:53:15 |
hathor |
I don't know, I can't imagine that we've
made so much headway yet for there to be
a backlash! |
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20:53:30 |
vmarchant |
I've spoken w/ my MIL, who nursed 4 kids
through the 70's and says she never had
a problem |
|
20:53:44 |
vmarchant |
but nursing was a rarity then |
|
20:53:56 |
hathor |
In the beginning I was talking about
being more proactive about breastfeeding
and other AP things |
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20:54:00 |
vmarchant |
A little headway can cause a backlash |
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20:54:34 |
hathor |
I listen to Air America alot and I hear
them talk alot about family values |
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20:55:03 |
hathor |
in snide and demeaning ways, there needs
to be an education given to lots of
people in the public sphere |
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20:55:48 |
hathor |
For instance Al Franken the other day
was sneering at people who don't want
universal preschool here. |
|
20:56:04 |
hathor |
He needs an education. |
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20:56:52 |
mamaofthree |
yeah that! |
|
20:56:58 |
hathor |
I've been thinking that we need to be
more proactive...with letters and
education outside of the parenting
sphere |
|
20:57:38 |
hathor |
Like Bill Maher jokes on Homeschooling
because he thinks that right wing
nutjobs homeschool. |
|
20:57:47 |
hathor |
he needs an education. |
|
20:58:25 |
hathor |
Randi Rhodes creeps out about a mama
breastfeeding while in the house of rep.
she needs an education |
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20:58:57 |
lissabob |
a lot of people need to be educated |
|
20:59:03 |
hathor |
All these people and the young people
that follow them need to know that we
are mamas and we are political |
|
20:59:20 |
hathor |
and we aren't gonna take the derision
lying down! |
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20:59:44 |
hathor |
(unless we are breastfeeding, sometimes
it's more fun to lie down!) |
|
20:59:56 |
hathor |
another question? |
|
21:00:20 |
MOD_Angie |
upcoming chatters: Persephone wendy1221 |
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21:00:20 |
Webmama_Tina |
persephone is up |
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21:00:46 |
cheryl |
? |
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21:00:50 |
Persephone |
first, i wanted to say that you are my
mothering role model, and i really
admire you :) |
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21:01:11 |
hathor |
Aw shucks. that's so nice. |
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21:01:14 |
Persephone |
secondly, my orignal question was
already answered.. i was going to ask
you to elaborate on your thoughts about
being proactive |
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21:01:43 |
Persephone |
but instead, i'll ask you what a non
anti mothing non anti child society
would look like |
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21:01:47 |
Persephone |
from your pov? |
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21:01:56 |
hathor |
i'm thinking we need to start an action
alert discussion group for things in the
news that are anti mother/child/family |
|
21:02:25 |
hathor |
and then an education letter campaign |
|
21:03:15 |
hathor |
I think there would be more green
spaces, less roads, more public transit,
children welcome everywhere, less
school, more life |
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21:03:16 |
mairead |
sounds awesome ! |
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21:03:28 |
hathor |
more flex time working |
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21:03:49 |
Persephone |
heh, sounds like my dream.... what do
you think is standing in the way of that
now (or is that considred another
question?) |
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21:04:09 |
hathor |
Here's one thing... |
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21:04:24 |
hathor |
My friend Wayan from Bali |
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21:04:29 |
Webmama_Tina |
there's a commercial on tv right now in
our area that shows something like
this....i think its for kaiser or
something.... it shows only bicycles on
the freeways and a vending machine that
sells only organic apples....ahhhh, one
can dream, eh? LOL |
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21:04:56 |
hathor |
told me one day that (oh yeah and no
commercials! hee hee) |
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21:05:46 |
hathor |
in their culture they would never allow
someone who was not married with
children to be in the village council.
It's expected |
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21:06:17 |
hathor |
that families are the buiding blocks of
their society and they have the
political clout. |
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21:06:55 |
hathor |
Here families are seen as separate the
children are in school the parents work
as a whole they are just
consumers...it's distressing |
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21:07:25 |
BellysMama |
Hello All! Im new here... |
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21:07:32 |
hathor |
but I get really irritated that it's the
childless people who are deciding how
the culture will be |
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21:07:36 |
BellysMama |
sorry to interrupt |
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21:07:41 |
Persephone |
hear hear, hathor! |
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21:07:43 |
Webmama_Tina |
wouldn't it be great if we found an
island somewhere and just started our
own country? LOL |
|
21:07:59 |
vmarchant |
One where nobody gets voted off? |
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21:08:03 |
wendy1221 |
yeah and then the us would invade |
|
21:08:04 |
Webmama_Tina |
LOL!!! |
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21:08:07 |
hathor |
How bout we just take over this one?
:devil: |
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21:08:09 |
cutie_patootie |
*mcwelcome* BellysMama |
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21:08:18 |
mamaofthree |
LOL |
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21:08:21 |
Webmama_Tina |
hi BellysMama |
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21:08:24 |
Webmama_Tina |
glad you made it... |
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21:08:25 |
girlie_librarian |
lol |
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21:08:28 |
BellysMama |
Hello! |
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21:08:43 |
Webmama_Tina |
i guess we're going into overtime
here..... hathor how much more time do
you have? we can wrap it up now if you
need to |
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21:08:50 |
Persephone |
sounds good to me hathor...and you have
ideas on how to do it... hope to hear
more about that before the night is
over... i'm done :) thank you , hathor |
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21:08:52 |
hathor |
Is there another question? my dh was
late so I can make him work now |
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21:08:59 |
MOD_Angie |
upcoming chatters: wendy1221 cheryl |
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21:09:06 |
c_something |
:) |
|
21:09:13 |
wendy1221 |
mine's been answered :D |
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21:09:27 |
hathor |
I just decided I need a discussion board
on my site! |
|
21:09:40 |
vmarchant |
Yay! |
|
21:09:43 |
hathor |
so I can send out the action alerts! |
|
21:09:46 |
mamaofthree |
:heart: |
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21:09:53 |
mamaverdi |
:heart: |
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21:09:56 |
wendy1221 |
I was going to try and steer it back
towards activism, but that happened |
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21:09:57 |
hathor |
gotta get my webmistress on the ichat |
|
21:10:00 |
vmarchant |
I go to your blog for them now! |
|
21:10:24 |
hathor |
Cool, I'm working on a new website, it's
soooooo beautiful! |
|
21:10:53 |
hathor |
I'll lose all the comments when I switch
over, but it will be worth it because
all the comics are categorized |
|
21:11:04 |
MOD_Angie |
cheryl, do u still have a ? for Hathor? |
|
21:11:08 |
cheryl |
I've been co-sleeping w/my 3mth. old for
the last month & my husband sleeps in a
separate bed. Not loving the separation
but husband is not safe in bed w/baby.
Any co-sleeping suggestions? |
|
21:11:09 |
hathor |
so you can search for them, or type in
breatfeeding |
|
21:11:25 |
hathor |
and find all the comics about
breastfeeding. it's super cool |
|
21:11:44 |
lissabob |
that sounds awesome Hathor.. it'll be
nice to have it easier to navigate |
|
21:11:58 |
hathor |
I really recommend not separating and
finding another way |
|
21:12:04 |
wendy1221 |
can't wait to see it! |
|
21:12:10 |
wendy1221 |
why isn't dh safe? |
|
21:12:22 |
BellysMama |
Cheryl have you tried those baby beds
that attatch next to your bed? |
|
21:12:36 |
hathor |
we have 2 queens together so that we
have super plenty room. I totally
recommend putting 2 giant beds together
so that the |
|
21:12:44 |
cheryl |
dh rolls around and tends to hit things
in the night |
|
21:13:05 |
wendy1221 |
we put our king sized mattress on the
floor. 2 yo and 7 mo old sleep in bed 6
yo on floor next to it |
|
21:13:10 |
vmarchant |
A co-sleeper would help |
|
21:13:13 |
hathor |
daddy doesn't have to worry, you want
him to enjoy the bed not think of it as
troubling or exclusionary |
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21:13:46 |
wendy1221 |
Have you tried sleeping w/ the baby in
the crook of your arm w/ dh there? Bet
he's safer than he thinks |
|
21:13:54 |
hathor |
then try and put two beds in the same
room with you and the baby in one and
daddy in one with a bit of a crack |
|
21:14:21 |
hathor |
til he feels more safe |
|
21:14:45 |
cheryl |
It's probably me that's more worried
than him. |
|
21:14:52 |
BellysMama |
I have been cosleeping with my daughter,
now 9 months old, but I am starting to
think I should start trying to get her
used to her crib |
|
21:14:58 |
hathor |
My dh is so nightly protective now that
he barely moves at night |
|
21:15:00 |
wendy1221 |
why? |
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21:15:11 |
hathor |
BellysMama why? |
|
21:15:40 |
hathor |
My 8 year old still sleeps with us! |
|
21:15:43 |
BellysMama |
well she is getting older and my dr
saids it will be harder for her to sleep
on her own later on |
|
21:15:53 |
wendy1221 |
that's utter and complete bullshit |
|
21:16:04 |
mamaofthree |
Right on! |
|
21:16:10 |
lissabob |
wendy tell us what you REALLY think |
|
21:16:10 |
vmarchant |
My dd sleeps fine on her own now.... |
|
21:16:14 |
hathor |
My daughter sleeps like a log, doesn't
have nightmaresand would like a bed of
her own |
|
21:16:16 |
lissabob |
lol |
|
21:16:21 |
BellysMama |
you think so? :) |
|
21:16:35 |
Snoopyness |
I believe that when the child is ready,
she will move to her own bed |
|
21:16:35 |
wendy1221 |
My parents coslept and my dh's parents
coslept and none of the 9 kids they had
between the 2 families has ever had
trouble sleeping |
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21:16:39 |
vmarchant |
...but when she was 9 months she hated
the crib |
|
21:16:40 |
MCatLvr+DHof12yrs=1DD+1DS&5Cats |
my dd is 5 still in our room i will move
her when she is ready |
|
21:16:47 |
hathor |
Absolutely! |
|
21:17:00 |
hathor |
Fire your doctor |
|
21:17:06 |
BellysMama |
lol....good idea |
|
21:17:06 |
mamaofthree |
YES! I ahve co-slept with all my kids (I
have four) and the older two sleep
wonderfully all on their own! |
|
21:17:08 |
vmarchant |
and we slept better with her in our bed
'til recently |
|
21:17:10 |
MCatLvr+DHof12yrs=1DD+1DS&5Cats |
we do have king mattress next to a twin
works great |
|
21:17:27 |
hathor |
Also, remember that besides the
occassional vaccine drs don't know
anything about parenting |
|
21:17:35 |
wendy1221 |
my 6 year old can and does sleep in his
own room, but says it's lonely, so
usually sleeps w/ us |
|
21:17:52 |
MamaTara |
My oldest slept with us until he was 2.5
at which point her personally askdd to
slep in his own bed. When they're
ready, they'll let you know :) |
|
21:17:55 |
vmarchant |
The parenting advice a Dr gives is
usually opinion rather than fact |
|
21:18:00 |
BellysMama |
my dr has 6 kids...in her late 30s maybe
and is so freaking skinny.....its
disgusting... |
|
21:18:08 |
Snoopyness |
My 19 month old daughter and I sleep on
a twin mattress on the floor, with her
(previously unused) crib mattress next
to it for any *overflow* |
|
21:18:13 |
hathor |
Whenever a dr gives you parenting advice
it's just their own personal opinion and
being a dr means that you're a crappy
parent because you work to have |
|
21:18:34 |
hathor |
oops I meant they work too hard. |
|
21:19:08 |
hathor |
Whenever I answere dr questions I'm
vague and humorous |
|
21:19:16 |
BellysMama |
:) |
|
21:19:17 |
wendy1221 |
my current ped is wonderful, but I'sd
say he's an exception to the rule |
|
21:19:27 |
MOD_Angie |
with my first, we figured out that cribs
make great laundry basket for clean
clothes to be sorted, lol |
|
21:19:30 |
PajamaMama |
my 11yo dd has her own room but also has
a cot in our room. our 3yo dd sleeps
with us (king bed) The 11yo sleeps like
a rock. |
|
21:19:32 |
hathor |
I tell them they nurse somewhere between
12 and 200 times a night and laugh |
|
21:19:42 |
hathor |
I tell them they sleep like a baby |
|
21:20:02 |
lissabob |
my ped was good about that- just asked
- any problems with her sleeping? I'd
say nope and that was that lol |
|
21:20:02 |
mamaverdi |
It's none of your doctor's business
where your daughter sleeps unless she's
at the hospital... |
|
21:20:10 |
wendy1221 |
my ped asks if I'm getting enough sleep.
Doesn't ask how the baby is sleeping. :) |
|
21:20:12 |
Snoopyness |
I love it when I'm asked if she sleeps
through the night. I always ask, Do
you???"" |
|
21:20:22 |
mamaverdi |
then she should know your daughter's
room number. :D |
|
21:20:38 |
RiceMomma |
Yay! I'm chatting with Hathor! |
|
21:20:47 |
hathor |
and ignore their advice... |
|
21:21:03 |
vmarchant |
? |
|
21:21:06 |
Webmama_Tina |
oh how about is he a good baby?"" |
|
21:21:08 |
Webmama_Tina |
lol |
|
21:21:10 |
hathor |
Here's a cool article about the family
bed http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/Page/document/v4/sub/MarketingPage?user_URL=http://www.theglobeandmail.com%2Fservlet%2Fstory%2FRTGAM.20060128.wxsleep28%2FEmailBNStory%2FspecialScienceandHealth%2F&ord=1146709241821&brand=theglobeandmail&force_login=true
|
|
21:21:24 |
mairead |
can someone please tell me why there is
such an obsession with sleeping thro the
nite anyway ???? |
|
21:21:35 |
mairead |
what is the big deal |
|
21:21:36 |
BellysMama |
I have forgotten what thats like |
|
21:21:41 |
Webmama_Tina |
i told an old lady the other day, when
she asked me that....ALL babies are
good!"" |
|
21:21:44 |
hathor |
yeah, what is up with that? |
|
21:21:53 |
BellysMama |
*) |
|
21:21:56 |
Webmama_Tina |
then she said something like, ah well
you know, like does he cry? |
|
21:22:07 |
Webmama_Tina |
i said yes of course he cries, that's
what babies are supposed to do"" |
|
21:22:18 |
Webmama_Tina |
very matter of factly and laughing |
|
21:22:22 |
Webmama_Tina |
kinda stunned her |
|
21:22:23 |
Snoopyness |
But thats the benchmark of a good
Mama!!! Not! |
|
21:22:23 |
Webmama_Tina |
lol |
|
21:22:25 |
MamaTara |
I got that good baby" thing today at the
store." |
|
21:22:36 |
hathor |
New mothers seem to think that their
life will be back ot normal right after
childbirth hence the breast isn't best
article! |
|
21:23:03 |
Webmama_Tina |
can't read your articles hathor...guess
you have to be a member? |
|
21:23:05 |
lissabob |
oh THAT article :banghead |
|
21:23:13 |
RiceMomma |
it's never back 2 normal. you're a mommy
now |
|
21:23:18 |
BellysMama |
did anyone get/hate their new big boobs
after giving birth? |
|
21:23:32 |
MCatLvr+DHof12yrs=1DD+1DS&5Cats |
loved mine |
|
21:23:36 |
MCatLvr+DHof12yrs=1DD+1DS&5Cats |
lol |
|
21:23:40 |
wendy1221 |
mine went from B's to H's |
|
21:23:52 |
vmarchant |
Only when it hurt to sleep on them! :-D |
|
21:23:54 |
hathor |
Sorry, it's on my musings blog on page
4, it's called sleeping with the enemy |
|
21:23:55 |
lissabob |
DH called me Dolly Parton for a few
weeks... |
|
21:23:58 |
BellysMama |
i already had big ones and now that
theyre bigger I truly hate them! |
|
21:23:59 |
MCatLvr+DHof12yrs=1DD+1DS&5Cats |
went from a to d lol |
|
21:24:01 |
Persephone |
personally, i had rather large boobs
before giving birth, and getting more
seemed rather redundant :) |
|
21:24:07 |
mairead |
mine are huge i/m a bit self conscious
bfeeding twin 15 month old s exclusively |
|
21:24:12 |
Webmama_Tina |
looks like you have to pay for the
articles? |
|
21:24:22 |
MamaTara |
I wish I got huge boobs. Ah well, they
function just fine, that's what matters
:) |
|
21:24:39 |
hathor |
Mine are ginormous, I was wishing they
were smaller at the bathingsuit store
the other day. |
|
21:24:40 |
girlie_librarian |
you can have mine |
|
21:24:46 |
girlie_librarian |
lol |
|
21:24:46 |
lissabob |
the downside to huge boobs is that they
eventually deflate.. and droop |
|
21:24:47 |
lissabob |
lol |
|
21:24:57 |
hathor |
I dream I have an athletic body |
|
21:25:02 |
BellysMama |
i think my big boobs make me look that
much fatter... |
|
21:25:03 |
wendy1221 |
Young women aren't around babies. We're
in school w/ our peers" and then work w/
them as well. When do we ever learn how
babies truly are? Not until we have one
of our own" |
|
21:25:07 |
hathor |
but am rather applish really. |
|
21:25:07 |
Persephone |
eventually droop! mine are droopy now! |
|
21:25:14 |
Snoopyness |
I have FF friends with droopy boobs! |
|
21:25:21 |
girlie_librarian |
i agree they do seem to accentuate the
rollage... |
|
21:25:30 |
hathor |
007 breastfeeding site has pictures of
breasts! |
|
21:25:31 |
Webmama_Tina |
uh how about if you have a baby that
will only nurse on one side....i was
lopsided before...and guess which breast
he wants to nurse on! the bigger one of
course! *) |
|
21:25:38 |
BellysMama |
lol |
|
21:25:38 |
LucyVanPelt |
at some point, all boobs droop |
|
21:25:40 |
MCatLvr+DHof12yrs=1DD+1DS&5Cats |
the natural thing the human body is
droop as u age |
|
21:26:05 |
lissabob |
I know that.. but mine dropped about 3
inches in a year lol |
|
21:26:08 |
wendy1221 |
yep. All boobs drop. Unless you are my
mom who wears a 32AA and bf 5 kids lol |
|
21:26:12 |
hathor |
droopy. yes. I live it! Well, I have to
go now...to be with the kdis |
|
21:26:23 |
Webmama_Tina |
yup time for me to skedaddle as well |
|
21:26:26 |
Persephone |
thank you hathor! :) |
|
21:26:27 |
MamaTara |
Sounds like a good reason to leave :) |
|
21:26:30 |
lissabob |
thanks Hathor! |
|
21:26:32 |
patchpixie |
Bye!! Thanks!! |
|
21:26:34 |
MamaTara |
Thank you Hathor! |
|
21:26:34 |
Webmama_Tina |
nice chat mamas...and hathor!!! |
|
21:26:35 |
girlie_librarian |
thanks so much and have a good night |
|
21:26:36 |
BellysMama |
byebye! |
|
21:26:39 |
Snoopyness |
Great chatting with you! |
|
21:26:41 |
vmarchant |
Thank-you Hathor |
|
21:26:41 |
wendy1221 |
I think mine were starting to dropp
before I even got pregnant w/ ds at 22, |
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21:26:42 |
hathor |
we're gonna watch ranch house! on pBS |
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21:26:42 |
Webmama_Tina |
and again... SOOOOO Sorry i was late!!! |
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21:26:47 |
mamaverdi |
bye! |
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21:26:49 |
LucyVanPelt |
well, yeah lol would you rather have
boobs that get bigger and droopier or
boobs that disappear? lol |
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21:26:49 |
mairead |
goodnite hathor and all thank you |
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21:26:49 |
Webmama_Tina |
ohhhh that is SOOOOO good! |
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21:26:59 |
hathor |
Bye! |
