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21:04:03 |
Webmama_Tina |
tonite we are very pleased to have
judith and charlotte as our speakers... |
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21:04:20 |
Webmama_Tina |
why don't you 2 introduce yourselves and
tell us your background and expertise? |
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21:04:35 |
Webmama_Tina |
and when you're done please let me know
that you are ready to start answering
questions... |
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21:05:02 |
Webmama_Tina |
and mama chatters...y'all can start
posting a single question mark (?) if
you would like to get in line to ask
charlotte and judith a question :) |
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21:05:23 |
charlottedevries |
Hi, I'm Charlotte, in Ann Arbor, MI. My
three kids are grown, and I'm still in
love with issues of pregnancy and birth. |
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21:05:28 |
charlottedevries |
I'm ready! |
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21:05:58 |
Webmama_Tina |
don't forget to share books and links :) |
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21:06:10 |
Webmama_Tina |
if you type with the www in the front
then it will be clickable |
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21:06:11 |
lothian |
Hi. We're delighted to be with you
tonight. I'm a nurse and a passionate
childbirth educator. I also teach
nursing, do some research, and a lot of
writing. I have five children....four
grown and a bonus baby who is in her
senior year of high school. And I have
six granddaughters! |
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21:06:30 |
charlottedevries |
www.birthwithconfidence.org |
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21:06:51 |
lothian |
And we also have a blog.
birthwithconfidence.blogs |
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21:07:10 |
lothian |
Ready for questions |
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21:07:18 |
Rosie |
? |
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21:07:24 |
Webmama_Tina |
ok rosie, you're up first! |
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21:07:46 |
Webmama_Tina |
and don't mind me, mamas, as i keep the
peace and post welcomes as we get
latecomers ;( |
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21:07:50 |
Webmama_Tina |
woops ;) |
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21:08:01 |
Rosie |
I was looking at your blog (which is
great!) It didn't really fit with my
understanding of Lamaze. It was much
more home birth friendly, etc. |
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21:08:11 |
earthmamato4Deb |
? |
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21:08:13 |
Rosie |
I guess my question is - is Lamaze
pro-home birth these days? |
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21:08:19 |
Webmama_Tina |
upcoming chatters: earthmamato4Deb |
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21:09:04 |
lothian |
Lamaze is quite different than it was in
the 60's when we were just beginning to
reclaim birth. Lamaze is all about
normal birth, and homebirth fits right
in. |
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21:09:14 |
charlottedevries |
Lamaze is opening its arms to women's
choices, and lots of women are making
the choice for home birth, as I did, in
making the choice for home birth for two
out of my three babies. |
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21:09:47 |
lothian |
And my daughter has had 2
homebirths....and all my grandbabies
were caught by midwives! |
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21:10:13 |
momofmany |
That's a great statistic! |
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21:10:25 |
fterry13 |
? |
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21:10:27 |
mhedlund |
? |
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21:10:28 |
charlottedevries |
In the Netherlands, where a lot of my
husband's research was done regarding
midwives, about 32% of the births there
happen at home. |
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21:10:36 |
lothian |
In our book there is a wonderful chapter
on choosing a place of birth. It is very
pro out of hospital birth |
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21:10:37 |
Webmama_Tina |
upcoming chatters: earthmamato4Deb
fterry13 mhedlund |
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21:10:49 |
Rosie |
what's the rule on follow-up questions? |
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21:11:01 |
marywho |
? |
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21:11:27 |
Webmama_Tina |
well since we already have people in
line for questions, i'll ask that you
get back in line...just to be fair for
those waiting |
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21:11:34 |
Webmama_Tina |
i'll add you after marywho :) |
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21:11:35 |
Rosie |
no problem.! |
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21:11:49 |
Webmama_Tina |
earthmamato4Deb you're up! |
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21:11:51 |
wendylynne |
? |
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21:11:59 |
earthmamato4Deb |
I am a LCCE too and actually the
coordinator at a small local hospital |
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21:12:05 |
Webmama_Tina |
judith and charlotte...when you're done
answering a question just say something
like next question"" |
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21:12:23 |
charlottedevries |
Thanks, Webmama. Duly noted. |
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21:12:25 |
lothian |
Will do. |
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21:12:28 |
earthmamato4Deb |
It is kind of weird and ironic as a huge
homebirth advocate, but am hoping to
make change |
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21:12:39 |
fterry13 |
hpw do you teach in an area where the
c-section rate has gone from 17% to39%
and epidural rates are about 50%? the
doctors are interventive and couples are
more willing to follow their
recommendations over CBE's. |
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21:12:50 |
Webmama_Tina |
upcoming chatters: fterry13, mhedlund,
marywho, Rosie, wendylynne |
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21:13:17 |
earthmamato4Deb |
I have been able to start a natural
birthing class and really want to get
some hard stats to show that it can help |
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21:13:23 |
Webmama_Tina |
fterry13, earthmamato4Deb is currently
up....you're next! :) |
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21:13:37 |
Webmama_Tina |
currently up:
earthmamato4Deb....upcoming chatters:
fterry13, mhedlund, marywho, Rosie,
wendylynne |
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21:13:55 |
earthmamato4Deb |
What are some of your best ways to help
new parents with fears regarding
birthing, esp in the hospital |
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21:14:00 |
charlottedevries |
We're hoping that our book can be a
beginning in a change in the
landscape--that women will gain enough
confidence to bring about change in the
way birth is dones. |
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21:14:03 |
charlottedevries |
done. |
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21:14:28 |
lothian |
I applaud your persistence in helping to
create change...it's a really hard job.
And it is discouraging for many of us.
But many educators are having success
doing natural" classes." |
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21:14:32 |
Webmama_Tina |
upcoming chatters: fterry13, mhedlund,
marywho, Rosie, wendylynne |
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21:14:52 |
lothian |
do you want to add more |
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21:15:00 |
charlottedevries |
*thinking* |
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21:15:26 |
earthmamato4Deb |
:) |
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21:15:51 |
charlottedevries |
Keep reminding women that their bodies
are a perfect design for giving birth
without medical intervention. In fact,
intervention often messes with this
perfect design. |
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21:16:39 |
lothian |
Help new parents with fears...we could
go on forever. I think the first thing
is honesty. Helping them see what the
issues are, that much of what they fear
are not things to be feared. And lots of
what they should be afraid of...like the
cesarean rate...they are not. |
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21:16:40 |
charlottedevries |
This education has to start with our
children (boys AND girls!)--as midwife
Ina May Gaskin says, Our bodies are not
lemons"." |
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21:17:18 |
charlottedevries |
With confidence, with advocacy, we can
help women overcome these fears. |
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21:17:28 |
charlottedevries |
Next question, if Judy's ready. |
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21:17:30 |
earthmamato4Deb |
I absolutely agree, one of the things we
discuss in class is our societal beliefs
regarding birth and how those shape our
expectations |
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21:17:35 |
earthmamato4Deb |
thanks |
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21:17:44 |
Webmama_Tina |
did that answer fterry13 too? |
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21:17:47 |
lothian |
I think that women's greatest fear is
safety. And they go to the hospital
thinking they will be safer there. But
it's not true. |
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21:17:57 |
earthmamato4Deb |
? |
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21:18:13 |
Webmama_Tina |
upcoming chatters: fterry13, mhedlund,
marywho, Rosie, wendylynne,
callanro, earthmamato4Deb |
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21:18:22 |
Webmama_Tina |
if not, then fterry13 is up next |
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21:18:29 |
fterry13 |
we teach what they're saying, but they
still follow their doctor's
recommendations. |
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21:18:42 |
fterry13 |
do i repeat my original question? |
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21:18:59 |
Webmama_Tina |
upcoming chatters: mhedlund, marywho,
Rosie, wendylynne, callanro,
earthmamato4Deb |
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21:19:04 |
Webmama_Tina |
yes go for it fterry13 |
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21:19:08 |
Webmama_Tina |
up now: fterry13 |
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21:19:31 |
charlottedevries |
This really is a cultural problem,
accepting the doctor's word as the final
word. |
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21:19:42 |
lothian |
Because we have been brought up to trust
the doctor as the repository of wisdom
related to health. Knowing the simple
story of birth and the history of how
maternity care evolved in the US can
help women understand the issues. |
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21:19:55 |
fterry13 |
with c-section rates going from 17% to
39% and epidural rates of abou 50%, how
can we encourage patients to be better
advocates for themselves? |
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21:20:16 |
charlottedevries |
We have to find ways to connect with
what women already believe. For
example, a belief in healthy eating,
exercise, the value of nature, and show
them how natural birth is consistent
with these beliefs. |
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21:20:58 |
lothian |
First women need to untangle the issues
and learn to negotiate the maze of
modern obstetrics...and to do that they
need confidence in themselves, in their
body's good design, and they need to
trust birth. |
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21:21:05 |
storkbytes |
? |
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21:21:13 |
charlottedevries |
While some women think c-sections give
them more control over their birth, in
fact they lose control and subject
themselves to a number of complications. |
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21:22:11 |
storkbytes |
What are the best ways to connect with
women? Some don't come to classes. |
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21:22:17 |
Webmama_Tina |
upcoming chatters: mhedlund, marywho,
Rosie, wendylynne, callanro,
earthmamato4Deb, storkbytes |
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21:22:23 |
lothian |
I keep going back to the fact that women
don't have the basic, simple knowledge
they need about birth and nature's plan
to be able to make informed decisions.
We think our book will help. It's
simple. |
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21:22:27 |
Webmama_Tina |
storkbytes right now its fterry13's turn |
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21:22:39 |
Webmama_Tina |
your turn will be after earthmamato4Deb
:) |
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21:22:47 |
charlottedevries |
As LCCEs, can they ask their mothers,
Look, you're going through the trouble
of taking care of your body during this
pregnancy--careful with diet and
exercise and reading--do you want to
hand your body over, unquestioningly, to
a medical system?"." |
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21:22:59 |
lgrubin |
? |
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21:23:03 |
Webmama_Tina |
Friendly Reminder: Please do not post
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21:23:13 |
Webmama_Tina |
upcoming chatters: mhedlund, marywho,
Rosie, wendylynne, callanro,
earthmamato4Deb, storkbytes, lgrubin |
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21:23:28 |
KeysMama |
? |
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21:23:47 |
lothian |
The questions we are asking really all
get down to....helping women be
confident that they already know how to
give birth. |
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21:23:47 |
Webmama_Tina |
upcoming chatters: mhedlund, marywho,
Rosie, wendylynne, callanro,
earthmamato4Deb, storkbytes, lgrubin,
KeysMama |
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21:23:48 |
charlottedevries |
Next question. |
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21:24:01 |
Webmama_Tina |
mhedlund, you're up! :) |
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21:24:06 |
Webmama_Tina |
upcoming chatters: mhedlund, marywho,
Rosie, wendylynne, callanro,
earthmamato4Deb, storkbytes, lgrubin,
KeysMama |
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21:24:17 |
mhedlund |
I withdraw my question. |
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21:24:39 |
Webmama_Tina |
ok, marywho, you're up! |
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21:25:50 |
Webmama_Tina |
lets give her a sec...she might be
typing |
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21:25:51 |
marywho |
thank you. Comment, I had my 2nd son at
home in the 80's and felt far more
confident than in hospital. Part of the
problem is selling natural" birth to the
medical community." |
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21:25:53 |
Webmama_Tina |
ah ha |
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21:26:10 |
marywho |
my coworkers are sceptical! |
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21:26:16 |
Webmama_Tina |
upcoming chatters: Rosie, wendylynne,
callanro, earthmamato4Deb,
storkbytes, lgrubin, KeysMama |
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21:26:21 |
charlottedevries |
This was exactly my experience, as well. |
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21:26:33 |
lothian |
It's really selling it to women. The
research is clear. Birth out of the
hospital is safe. Women need to know
this. |
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21:26:40 |
charlottedevries |
Remember, by training, doctors see birth
as pathological. |
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21:27:27 |
marywho |
nurses do too |
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21:27:28 |
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