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12:11:37 |
Webmama_Tina |
hang tight mamas...i'm on the phone with marilyn |
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12:11:43 |
Webmama_Tina |
she's getting the plugin |
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12:12:39 |
mamaperreca |
did anyone see the Penn and Teller show on showtime
about circ. She was on there. |
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12:12:48 |
MOD_Angie |
really? |
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12:12:56 |
MOD_Angie |
were they for it or against? |
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12:13:12 |
Sustainer |
They were very much against it :) |
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12:13:16 |
mamaperreca |
against it big time! I made DVD copies for friends |
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12:13:38 |
mamaperreca |
it was very good and kind of funny too |
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12:13:54 |
thebabysbum |
too bad I don't have showtime |
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12:14:07 |
mamaperreca |
they even showed a man with a restored foreskin. |
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12:14:31 |
MOD_Angie |
really? |
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12:14:40 |
MOD_Angie |
how cool |
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12:14:44 |
Webmama_Tina |
still on the phone with her...we are installing
java....hold on |
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12:16:12 |
MOD_Angie |
np |
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12:16:37 |
feebee |
I saw that show. I thought it was great. |
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12:19:04 |
Webmama_Tina |
still working on java with marilyn |
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12:19:10 |
MOD_Angie |
ok |
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12:19:22 |
Webmama_Tina |
the download is going slowly |
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12:19:31 |
MOD_Angie |
she on dial-up? |
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12:19:51 |
Webmama_Tina |
yes she's on dial up |
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12:19:54 |
Webmama_Tina |
she apologizes... |
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12:19:59 |
Webmama_Tina |
she thought it was tomorrow |
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12:20:41 |
feebee |
There's been date confusion throughout on this one LOL |
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12:20:46 |
Webmama_Tina |
woops, yup |
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12:22:16 |
Webmama_Tina |
well marilyn's download is taking awhile so she is going
to take questions via me on the phone with her here.... |
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12:22:26 |
Webmama_Tina |
if you have a question throw out a question mark please |
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12:22:33 |
Webmama_Tina |
angie, can you start taking the list down then |
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12:22:34 |
Christy1980 |
what did she tink of the penn and teller show that she
was on? |
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12:22:36 |
Webmama_Tina |
i'll do the intro |
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12:23:02 |
Christy1980 |
? |
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12:23:10 |
Webmama_Tina |
hold on, we're going to do this like we normally
do...put out a question mark first please...ah there ya
go |
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12:23:57 |
maemery |
? |
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12:24:14 |
Webmama_Tina |
from marilyn: i thought we couldn't have afforded to get
such a good outreach"" |
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12:24:25 |
MOD_Angie |
upcoming chatter(s): Christy1980 maemery |
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12:24:41 |
Christy1980 |
what did she think of the penn and teller show about
circ? |
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12:24:54 |
Webmama_Tina |
that was her answer to that question, woops...lol |
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12:25:00 |
Christy1980 |
oh ok lol |
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12:25:10 |
mamaperreca |
? |
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12:25:14 |
Webmama_Tina |
next question |
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12:25:28 |
Webmama_Tina |
side note...she was just telling me, tina, about that
show...sounded GREAT! |
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12:25:46 |
maemery |
we've decided not to circumcise if our baby is a boy,
but my holistic doctor thinks it will setting him up for
lots of infections and possibly cancer later on in
life. Is there any truth to the cancer thing? |
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12:26:04 |
Webmama_Tina |
for those joining us late...marilyn is on the phone with
me...until her java download is complete...so i'm
transcribing her answers... :) |
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12:26:17 |
MOD_Angie |
upcoming chatter(s): mamaperreca |
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12:27:05 |
Webmama_Tina |
marilyn--no, in fact in countries where circ isn't
active, denmark, finland, sweden, w/pretty much teh same
hygenic practices as in the US....the penile cancer rate
is the same or less than in US."" |
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12:27:51 |
maemery |
I wonder why he would say that...He is Jewish...maybe
its a religious thing for him |
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12:27:51 |
Webmama_Tina |
...in addition, the american cancer society states that
cancer of the penis is a rare disease probably 1 in
100,000 elderly men...and is basically caused by
cigarette smoking, poor hygiene, multiple sex partners,
etc...."" |
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12:28:10 |
Webmama_Tina |
...the ACS says that circumcision should not be done in
an attempt to prevent penile cancer..."" |
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12:28:27 |
Webmama_Tina |
...in fact, often cancers of the penis occur at the
circumcision scar site...."" |
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12:28:30 |
feebee |
? |
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12:28:34 |
Webmama_Tina |
...with regard to infections...."" |
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12:28:54 |
Webmama_Tina |
....we have to determine the cause of the infection and
treat it conservatively...not by amputating body
parts..."" |
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12:29:05 |
Webmama_Tina |
...back to the cancer issue....."" |
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12:29:37 |
Webmama_Tina |
...one in 8 or 9 women will get breast cancer...it would
make more sense to snip the breast buds of infant girls
and be more protective then amputating the foreskins of
baby boys..."" |
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12:29:52 |
Webmama_Tina |
...yes, he has a cultural bias..."" |
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12:29:59 |
Webmama_Tina |
cultural religious bias |
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12:30:01 |
fourgrtkidos |
hi |
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12:30:26 |
Webmama_Tina |
not uncommon...because those that hold that belief are
in denial about the truth about the harm of circumcision
and the benefits of intact genitals..."" |
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12:30:27 |
maemery |
thanks for the input! |
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12:30:38 |
mamaperreca |
Do you have any advice how to get through the
birth/hospital stay less stressful? We are planning not
to leave his sight and put up a sign on our door and his
bassinet stating no circumcision, But I am still worried
about it... |
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12:30:39 |
Webmama_Tina |
next question |
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12:31:27 |
MOD_Angie |
upcoming chatter(s): mamaperreca |
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12:31:32 |
Webmama_Tina |
ok hold on... |
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12:32:17 |
caitplove |
? |
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12:32:20 |
Webmama_Tina |
marilyn....i have baby tshirts of the universal no sign
if that would make you feel better..."" |
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12:32:28 |
Webmama_Tina |
most important is to not let them out of site... |
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12:32:43 |
Webmama_Tina |
don't let them take baby for any reason... |
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12:33:01 |
Webmama_Tina |
www.nocirc.org sells the tshirts |
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12:33:37 |
Webmama_Tina |
click on nocirc publications and newsletters and
merchandise is on pg 7..."" |
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12:33:40 |
Webmama_Tina |
or... |
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12:33:54 |
Webmama_Tina |
look on front page on www.nocirc.org .... click on
pamphlet #2..."" |
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12:34:09 |
Webmama_Tina |
next question |
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12:34:21 |
feebee |
is that me? |
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12:34:25 |
feebee |
why did male circ keep hold in America while female circ
died out? |
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12:35:00 |
Webmama_Tina |
angie, is feebee next? |
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12:35:15 |
MOD_Angie |
yes |
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12:35:30 |
Webmama_Tina |
ok |
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12:35:49 |
MOD_Angie |
upcoming chatter(s): feebee caitplove |
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12:36:14 |
Webmama_Tina |
marilyn says....circumcision infiltrated western
medicine to prevent masturbation..."" |
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12:36:26 |
Webmama_Tina |
...because masturbation was believed to have caused a
myriad of ills..."" |
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12:36:47 |
Webmama_Tina |
...anythign from headaches to scholiosis to masturbatory
insanity..."" |
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12:36:55 |
Webmama_Tina |
...you're right it was done to both boys and girls..."" |
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12:37:02 |
Webmama_Tina |
..its a great question."" |
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12:37:17 |
Christy1980 |
? |
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12:37:20 |
MOD_Angie |
how does it prevent it? |
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12:37:35 |
Webmama_Tina |
...in 1996 a federal law went into effect outlawing
female genital mutilation in the US..."" |
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12:37:56 |
MOD_Angie |
supposely does circ make the penis less senstive? |
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12:37:57 |
Webmama_Tina |
that law, on its face, is unconstitutional because of
its gender bias..."" |
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12:38:05 |
Webmama_Tina |
in other words it lacks equal protection..."" |
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12:38:24 |
fourgrtkidos |
Are there any ways to restore a forskin? |
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12:38:30 |
fourgrtkidos |
oops |
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12:38:31 |
Webmama_Tina |
female genital mutilation was practiced in the US, as
late as 1970s..."" |
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12:38:53 |
Christy1980 |
angie, dr kellog published something saying that doing a
circ that w/out pain med was good b/c they would
associtae pain w/ thier groin and would not touch it or
have sex |
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12:38:53 |
Webmama_Tina |
of course, we know that episiotomy is also a form of
genital mutilation..."" |
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12:38:59 |
Webmama_Tina |
and it continues even today..."" |
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12:39:02 |
feebee |
Yeah I don't know of any circumcised men who masturbate
:rolls eyes: |
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12:39:37 |
Webmama_Tina |
the height of the circumcision mania, came after WW2,
when birth had been pathologized, and women were giving
birth in the hospital.."" |
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12:40:05 |
Webmama_Tina |
so babies and their foreskins, came readily accessible
and third party payers, insurance companies, were
reimbursing for the circumcisions..."" |
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12:40:43 |
Webmama_Tina |
...female genital mutilation was never as common as male
genital mutilation...which is probably why it was easier
to erradicate....except we still have to work on
stopping episiotomies..."" |
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12:41:04 |
Webmama_Tina |
Friendly Reminder: Please do not post unless it is your
turn to ask a question. If you have a question, please
post a single ?" and you'll be added to the queue. Have
your question ready when your name is called. THANKYOU!
:)" |
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12:41:20 |
Webmama_Tina |
who's next angie? |
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12:41:32 |
MOD_Angie |
upcoming chatter(s): caitplove Christy1980 |
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12:41:34 |
fourgrtkidos |
? |
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12:41:40 |
caitplove |
my question is concerning care of the intact penis- at
his last visit my infant son's doctor started to do what
appeared to me as retracting in order to check for
phimosis." is this legitimate? I'm not sure if her
intent was to fully retract or not." |
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12:42:08 |
Webmama_Tina |
....circumcision makes masturbation more difficult
because of the lack of the gliding mechanism of the
foreskin..."" |
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12:42:18 |
caitplove |
I stopped her as I felt there was no need to play with
it |
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12:42:46 |
Quirky |
? |
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12:42:55 |
hummingbear |
? |
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12:43:04 |
Webmama_Tina |
in addition, what's lost when the foreskin is amputated
are 10-20,000 specialized erogenous nerve endings that
allow a male to know what his penis is feeling....where
he is, relation to orgasmic threshhold..." |
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12:44:07 |
Webmama_Tina |
FYI....marilyn is on the phone with me |
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12:44:28 |
Webmama_Tina |
she's about done downloading java...she thought the chat
was tomorrow.... |
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12:45:55 |
Webmama_Tina |
leave it alone, leave it alone leave it alone...."" |
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12:46:04 |
Webmama_Tina |
wash the intact penis like you would a finger..."" |
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12:46:31 |
Webmama_Tina |
