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12:11:37 |
Webmama_Tina |
hang tight mamas...i'm on the phone with marilyn |
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12:11:43 |
Webmama_Tina |
she's getting the plugin |
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12:12:39 |
mamaperreca |
did anyone see the Penn and Teller show on showtime
about circ. She was on there. |
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12:12:48 |
MOD_Angie |
really? |
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12:12:56 |
MOD_Angie |
were they for it or against? |
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12:13:12 |
Sustainer |
They were very much against it :) |
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12:13:16 |
mamaperreca |
against it big time! I made DVD copies for friends |
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12:13:38 |
mamaperreca |
it was very good and kind of funny too |
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12:13:54 |
thebabysbum |
too bad I don't have showtime |
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12:14:07 |
mamaperreca |
they even showed a man with a restored foreskin. |
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12:14:31 |
MOD_Angie |
really? |
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12:14:40 |
MOD_Angie |
how cool |
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12:14:44 |
Webmama_Tina |
still on the phone with her...we are installing
java....hold on |
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12:16:12 |
MOD_Angie |
np |
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12:16:37 |
feebee |
I saw that show. I thought it was great. |
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12:19:04 |
Webmama_Tina |
still working on java with marilyn |
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12:19:10 |
MOD_Angie |
ok |
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12:19:22 |
Webmama_Tina |
the download is going slowly |
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12:19:31 |
MOD_Angie |
she on dial-up? |
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12:19:51 |
Webmama_Tina |
yes she's on dial up |
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12:19:54 |
Webmama_Tina |
she apologizes... |
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12:19:59 |
Webmama_Tina |
she thought it was tomorrow |
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12:20:41 |
feebee |
There's been date confusion throughout on this one LOL |
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12:20:46 |
Webmama_Tina |
woops, yup |
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12:22:16 |
Webmama_Tina |
well marilyn's download is taking awhile so she is going
to take questions via me on the phone with her here.... |
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12:22:26 |
Webmama_Tina |
if you have a question throw out a question mark please |
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12:22:33 |
Webmama_Tina |
angie, can you start taking the list down then |
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12:22:34 |
Christy1980 |
what did she tink of the penn and teller show that she
was on? |
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12:22:36 |
Webmama_Tina |
i'll do the intro |
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12:23:02 |
Christy1980 |
? |
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12:23:10 |
Webmama_Tina |
hold on, we're going to do this like we normally
do...put out a question mark first please...ah there ya
go |
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12:23:57 |
maemery |
? |
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12:24:14 |
Webmama_Tina |
from marilyn: i thought we couldn't have afforded to get
such a good outreach"" |
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12:24:25 |
MOD_Angie |
upcoming chatter(s): Christy1980 maemery |
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12:24:41 |
Christy1980 |
what did she think of the penn and teller show about
circ? |
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12:24:54 |
Webmama_Tina |
that was her answer to that question, woops...lol |
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12:25:00 |
Christy1980 |
oh ok lol |
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12:25:10 |
mamaperreca |
? |
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12:25:14 |
Webmama_Tina |
next question |
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12:25:28 |
Webmama_Tina |
side note...she was just telling me, tina, about that
show...sounded GREAT! |
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12:25:46 |
maemery |
we've decided not to circumcise if our baby is a boy,
but my holistic doctor thinks it will setting him up for
lots of infections and possibly cancer later on in
life. Is there any truth to the cancer thing? |
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12:26:04 |
Webmama_Tina |
for those joining us late...marilyn is on the phone with
me...until her java download is complete...so i'm
transcribing her answers... :) |
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12:26:17 |
MOD_Angie |
upcoming chatter(s): mamaperreca |
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12:27:05 |
Webmama_Tina |
marilyn--no, in fact in countries where circ isn't
active, denmark, finland, sweden, w/pretty much teh same
hygenic practices as in the US....the penile cancer rate
is the same or less than in US."" |
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12:27:51 |
maemery |
I wonder why he would say that...He is Jewish...maybe
its a religious thing for him |
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12:27:51 |
Webmama_Tina |
...in addition, the american cancer society states that
cancer of the penis is a rare disease probably 1 in
100,000 elderly men...and is basically caused by
cigarette smoking, poor hygiene, multiple sex partners,
etc...."" |
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12:28:10 |
Webmama_Tina |
...the ACS says that circumcision should not be done in
an attempt to prevent penile cancer..."" |
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12:28:27 |
Webmama_Tina |
...in fact, often cancers of the penis occur at the
circumcision scar site...."" |
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12:28:30 |
feebee |
? |
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12:28:34 |
Webmama_Tina |
...with regard to infections...."" |
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12:28:54 |
Webmama_Tina |
....we have to determine the cause of the infection and
treat it conservatively...not by amputating body
parts..."" |
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12:29:05 |
Webmama_Tina |
...back to the cancer issue....."" |
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12:29:37 |
Webmama_Tina |
...one in 8 or 9 women will get breast cancer...it would
make more sense to snip the breast buds of infant girls
and be more protective then amputating the foreskins of
baby boys..."" |
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12:29:52 |
Webmama_Tina |
...yes, he has a cultural bias..."" |
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12:29:59 |
Webmama_Tina |
cultural religious bias |
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12:30:01 |
fourgrtkidos |
hi |
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12:30:26 |
Webmama_Tina |
not uncommon...because those that hold that belief are
in denial about the truth about the harm of circumcision
and the benefits of intact genitals..."" |
|
12:30:27 |
maemery |
thanks for the input! |
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12:30:38 |
mamaperreca |
Do you have any advice how to get through the
birth/hospital stay less stressful? We are planning not
to leave his sight and put up a sign on our door and his
bassinet stating no circumcision, But I am still worried
about it... |
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12:30:39 |
Webmama_Tina |
next question |
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12:31:27 |
MOD_Angie |
upcoming chatter(s): mamaperreca |
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12:31:32 |
Webmama_Tina |
ok hold on... |
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12:32:17 |
caitplove |
? |
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12:32:20 |
Webmama_Tina |
marilyn....i have baby tshirts of the universal no sign
if that would make you feel better..."" |
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12:32:28 |
Webmama_Tina |
most important is to not let them out of site... |
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12:32:43 |
Webmama_Tina |
don't let them take baby for any reason... |
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12:33:01 |
Webmama_Tina |
www.nocirc.org sells the tshirts |
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12:33:37 |
Webmama_Tina |
click on nocirc publications and newsletters and
merchandise is on pg 7..."" |
|
12:33:40 |
Webmama_Tina |
or... |
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12:33:54 |
Webmama_Tina |
look on front page on www.nocirc.org .... click on
pamphlet #2..."" |
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12:34:09 |
Webmama_Tina |
next question |
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12:34:21 |
feebee |
is that me? |
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12:34:25 |
feebee |
why did male circ keep hold in America while female circ
died out? |
|
12:35:00 |
Webmama_Tina |
angie, is feebee next? |
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12:35:15 |
MOD_Angie |
yes |
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12:35:30 |
Webmama_Tina |
ok |
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12:35:49 |
MOD_Angie |
upcoming chatter(s): feebee caitplove |
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12:36:14 |
Webmama_Tina |
marilyn says....circumcision infiltrated western
medicine to prevent masturbation..."" |
|
12:36:26 |
Webmama_Tina |
...because masturbation was believed to have caused a
myriad of ills..."" |
|
12:36:47 |
Webmama_Tina |
...anythign from headaches to scholiosis to masturbatory
insanity..."" |
|
12:36:55 |
Webmama_Tina |
...you're right it was done to both boys and girls..."" |
|
12:37:02 |
Webmama_Tina |
..its a great question."" |
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12:37:17 |
Christy1980 |
? |
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12:37:20 |
MOD_Angie |
how does it prevent it? |
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12:37:35 |
Webmama_Tina |
...in 1996 a federal law went into effect outlawing
female genital mutilation in the US..."" |
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12:37:56 |
MOD_Angie |
supposely does circ make the penis less senstive? |
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12:37:57 |
Webmama_Tina |
that law, on its face, is unconstitutional because of
its gender bias..."" |
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12:38:05 |
Webmama_Tina |
in other words it lacks equal protection..."" |
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12:38:24 |
fourgrtkidos |
Are there any ways to restore a forskin? |
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12:38:30 |
fourgrtkidos |
oops |
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12:38:31 |
Webmama_Tina |
female genital mutilation was practiced in the US, as
late as 1970s..."" |
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12:38:53 |
Christy1980 |
angie, dr kellog published something saying that doing a
circ that w/out pain med was good b/c they would
associtae pain w/ thier groin and would not touch it or
have sex |
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12:38:53 |
Webmama_Tina |
of course, we know that episiotomy is also a form of
genital mutilation..."" |
|
12:38:59 |
Webmama_Tina |
and it continues even today..."" |
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12:39:02 |
feebee |
Yeah I don't know of any circumcised men who masturbate
:rolls eyes: |
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12:39:37 |
Webmama_Tina |
the height of the circumcision mania, came after WW2,
when birth had been pathologized, and women were giving
birth in the hospital.."" |
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12:40:05 |
Webmama_Tina |
so babies and their foreskins, came readily accessible
and third party payers, insurance companies, were
reimbursing for the circumcisions..."" |
|
12:40:43 |
Webmama_Tina |
...female genital mutilation was never as common as male
genital mutilation...which is probably why it was easier
to erradicate....except we still have to work on
stopping episiotomies..."" |
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12:41:04 |
Webmama_Tina |
Friendly Reminder: Please do not post unless it is your
turn to ask a question. If you have a question, please
post a single ?" and you'll be added to the queue. Have
your question ready when your name is called. THANKYOU!
:)" |
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12:41:20 |
Webmama_Tina |
who's next angie? |
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12:41:32 |
MOD_Angie |
upcoming chatter(s): caitplove Christy1980 |
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12:41:34 |
fourgrtkidos |
? |
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12:41:40 |
caitplove |
my question is concerning care of the intact penis- at
his last visit my infant son's doctor started to do what
appeared to me as retracting in order to check for
phimosis." is this legitimate? I'm not sure if her
intent was to fully retract or not." |
|
12:42:08 |
Webmama_Tina |
....circumcision makes masturbation more difficult
because of the lack of the gliding mechanism of the
foreskin..."" |
|
12:42:18 |
caitplove |
I stopped her as I felt there was no need to play with
it |
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12:42:46 |
Quirky |
? |
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12:42:55 |
hummingbear |
? |
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12:43:04 |
Webmama_Tina |
in addition, what's lost when the foreskin is amputated
are 10-20,000 specialized erogenous nerve endings that
allow a male to know what his penis is feeling....where
he is, relation to orgasmic threshhold..." |
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12:44:07 |
Webmama_Tina |
FYI....marilyn is on the phone with me |
|
12:44:28 |
Webmama_Tina |
she's about done downloading java...she thought the chat
was tomorrow.... |
|
12:45:55 |
Webmama_Tina |
leave it alone, leave it alone leave it alone...."" |
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12:46:04 |
Webmama_Tina |
wash the intact penis like you would a finger..."" |
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12:46:31 |
Webmama_Tina |
the first person to retract the foreskin should be the
boy himself..."" |
|
12:46:55 |
Webmama_Tina |
the most difficult part of caring for an intact baby is
the vigilence required to keep everybody else's hands
off the penis..."" |
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12:47:31 |
Webmama_Tina |
sadly, drs did not learn about the proper care of intact
penis in medical school...consequently many were told
that the foreskin and are now injuring babies by
prematurely retracting the foreskin..."" |
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12:47:52 |
Webmama_Tina |
for more info, see www.nocirc.org click on top page
pamphlets #4"" |
|
12:48:15 |
Webmama_Tina |
then for additional info, click on directory at the top
of first page, then click on important articles..."" |
|
12:48:34 |
Webmama_Tina |
2nd, 3rd and 4th articles....and you will then know more
then most drs learned in medical school..."" |
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12:48:47 |
caitplove |
thank you for confirning my instincts were right. |
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12:49:09 |
caitplove |
confirming, of course |
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12:49:30 |
caitplove |
:0) |
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12:49:48 |
Webmama_Tina |
YAY she's HERE!!! |
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12:49:57 |
talenak |
? |
|
12:50:08 |
Webmama_Tina |
hold on |
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12:50:47 |
Webmama_Tina |
HI MARILYN!!! |
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12:51:20 |
Marilyn_Milos |
Hi Tina, I'm finally here! |
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12:51:44 |
Webmama_Tina |
yay, she can take over the answering of
questions...angie, who's next? |
|
12:51:47 |
MOD_Angie |
upcoming chatter(s): Christy1980 fourgrtkidos Quirky
hummingbear talenak |
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12:51:50 |
Christy1980 |
howdy Marilyn! what can we all do to raise awareness of
the circ epidemic in this country? How can we discuss
the subject w/ other parents that are pro-circ to
hopefully change their minds? |
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12:51:50 |
Ms.Doula |
MsDoula Waves |
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12:51:54 |
Webmama_Tina |
ok christy, go for it!!! |
|
12:52:00 |
Webmama_Tina |
Friendly Reminder: Please do not post unless it is your
turn to ask a question. If you have a question, please
post a single ?" and you'll be added to the queue. Have
your question ready when your name is called. THANKYOU!
:)" |
|
12:52:58 |
Webmama_Tina |
marilyn is now here in the room, ladies, thanks for
hanging in there with us... she can now answer your
questions personally. :) |
|
12:53:30 |
Webmama_Tina |
and marilyn...when you're done answering a question,
just type next question" and angie will tell you who's
next. thanks! :)" |
|
12:54:19 |
Webmama_Tina |
hang tight, she's probably typing. :) |
|
12:54:24 |
Christy1980 |
ok :D |
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12:55:15 |
Marilyn_Milos |
You've answered your own question in that talking to
parents helps raise awareness about the issue. Writing
letters to the editor, bumper stickers, and handing out
educational materials helps. There is a Medicaid project
that we've been working on for several years, getting
states to stop using Medicaid money to reimburse for
circumcisions. If you're interested in working on this
in your state, you can contact me at
nocirc@cris.com . In
terms of speaking with people, start where they are and
take them one step at a time through their fears by
giving them responses to the myths that they cling to.
And, again, talk, talk, talk! Society has herd
mentality," so, to turn the herd, we must turn one
person at a time." |
|
12:55:43 |
Marilyn_Milos |
Next question... |
|
12:55:48 |
MOD_Angie |
upcoming chatter(s): fourgrtkidos Quirky
hummingbear talenak |
|
12:55:49 |
fourgrtkidos |
Is there any way to restore a foreskin? There is a
website that mentions it but does not provide further
info. This is an issue of great guilt for me. I was 18
and single, the hospital staff bulldozed me after giving
me some pain meds. |
|
12:58:03 |
dnr3301 |
? |
|
13:00:22 |
Marilyn_Milos |
First, let's address you guilt. Knowing now what you
didn't know when your son was born, you would never do
it again (me either). So, it's not guilt that you feel.
You feel that when you stick your hand in the cookie
jar, knowing you're not supposed to. Isn't it more that
you're feeling remorse and sadness. I am. One mother
wrote, My son's pain is my torture." I could relate to
that, but when I read it to my son, he said, "Mom, your
sons' pain was your inspiration." How I live with not
knowing enough to protect my boys is by doing this work.
And, yes, foreskin restoration is possible, using gentle
stretching techniques. The fauxskin, then, covers and
protects the glans penis, increasing the sensitivity of
the glans. The callousing actually disappears once the
foreskin is re-covered. Go to
www.norm.org and
www.norm-uk.org for information on restoration. It's
what men can do to restore their power and regain some
lost sensitivity. All those specialized nerve endings,
however, are not restored." |
|
13:01:12 |
Marilyn_Milos |
Next question... |
|
13:01:59 |
MOD_Angie |
upcoming chatter(s): Quirky hummingbear talenak
dnr3301 |
|
13:02:30 |
Webmama_Tina |
marilyn...how much time do you have left? because the
chat is officially over now, but if you have more time,
we can keep going as long as you have time. :) |
|
13:02:33 |
Quirky |
Is it my turn? My question is how to get through to
women who think that FGM is so awful but male circ is no
big deal. What are the anatomical analogies/similarities
so I can tell women cutting off the foreskin is like
cutting off your ...."" |
|
13:02:43 |
Webmama_Tina |
yes quirky you're up. :) |
|
13:02:46 |
liseux |
Thank you Marilyn for all you do towards ending RIC. I
go to a Catholic pro life OB who bases his entire
practice on how much he and his fellow doctors love
babies. Yet they circ babies every day. How do you try
and talk a doctor into not circing? |
|
13:02:51 |
Marilyn_Milos |
I can go until all the questions are answered... |
|
13:02:56 |
Webmama_Tina |
ok cool! |
|
13:03:16 |
liseux |
sorry to submit so soon *) |
|
13:05:03 |
MOD_Angie |
liseux, I will add you to queue chat list |
|
13:05:57 |
liseux |
:) |
|
13:06:01 |
Marilyn_Milos |
There are several categories of female genital
mutilation. One is called the sunna," which is the
removal of the clitoral hood, the female prepuce or
foreskin. So, these two mutilations are comparable. Of
course, the most severe forms of female genital
mutilation, of course, are extremely horrific, but the
screams of infants and children undergoing genital
mutilation are genderless, and both genders die from
these procedures. So, it is not an issue of comparative
suffering, it's a human rights issue. How much of my
little finger needs to be cut off before my rights to
bodily integrity are violated?" |
|
13:10:42 |
Marilyn_Milos |
There is a new group called Catholics Opposing
Circumcision. You might want to get their pamphlet and
share it with your doctor. Email me and I'll give you
the details for getting in touch with the group because
I don't have the info at my fingertips. Also, explain to
your physician that not one national or international
medical association in the world now recommend
circumcision and several are even warning physicians
against it because 18-year-olds have begun to sue the
doctor who circumcised them as infants for violating
their right to genital integrity. The New Testament has
more than 120 references to circumcision, starting with
Acts 15, saying that circumcision is of no value.
Christians are supposed to circumcise their hearts
rather than live up to the Law, which was required in
the Old Testament. Christians are saved by their faith
expressed through love. Also, give your doctor our
pamphlet #10 on the Bioethics of Circumcision, which you
can download from www.nocirc.org . |
|
13:11:05 |
Marilyn_Milos |
Next question... |
|
13:11:21 |
MOD_Angie |
upcoming chatter(s): hummingbear talenak dnr3301
liseux |
|
13:11:38 |
hummingbear |
I want to bring parents and health care providers in my
community together to talk about intact health care and
circumcision. Please share any ideas you have about
effective and respectful ways to present information and
boost participation. |
|
13:11:39 |
feebee |
it's
http://www.catholicsagainstcircumcision.org |
|
13:12:15 |
Marilyn_Milos |
Thanks for posting the information, feebee. |
|
13:13:07 |
liseux |
thank you! |
|
13:15:23 |
Marilyn_Milos |
There is a wonderful video called Circumcision: Intact
Facts," available from Injoy Video. You find ordering
information at www.nocirc.org , click on Pamphlet #2.
It's an 18-minute video, which is informative and allows
time for discussion. I think it helps to first ask
people why they think circumcision is necessary.
Remember, it is always done out of fear, so identifying
the fear and dispelling the myths is always helpful.
I'll be happy to help you with your presentation if you
want it. Contact me at nocirc@cris.com ." |
|
13:15:33 |
Marilyn_Milos |
Next? |
|
13:15:38 |
MOD_Angie |
upcoming chatter(s): talenak dnr3301 liseux |
|
13:15:56 |
hummingbear |
Thank you so much :heart: :heart: |
|
13:16:28 |
Marilyn_Milos |
My pleasure, and thank you! |
|
13:16:35 |
Marilyn_Milos |
Next? |
|
13:17:22 |
talenak |
sorry, java issues, Hi Marilyn, I was just wondering how
you keep at this. I love what you do and always list
you as my hero when asked. Does the pressure ever get
to you? And how do you deal with frustration? |
|
13:18:05 |
Webmama_Tina |
marilyn, if at any time you need to cut it short, just
let us know and we can end. :) the questions might keep
coming at this rate...its a hot topic! LOL great info
you're sharing!! |
|
13:18:47 |
Quirky |
? |
|
13:23:21 |
Webmama_Tina |
angie has to leave, here's who's next: upcoming
chatter(s): dnr3301 liseux Quirky |
|
13:24:46 |
Ms.Doula |
? |
|
13:25:25 |
Webmama_Tina |
upcoming chatter(s): dnr3301 liseux Quirky Ms.Doula |
|
13:26:19 |
Webmama_Tina |
those of you joining us late...we had some technical
difficulties for awhile there...and marilyn has kindly
agreed to stay a little late. :) |
|
13:26:48 |
Webmama_Tina |
the chat was officially over 26min ago, but so far
marilyn has been up to continuing to answer questions.
and we are very grateful! :) |
|
13:27:06 |
Marilyn_Milos |
I think the pain of what was done to my sons because the
doctors lied to me, It doesn't hurt, it only takes a
minute, it will protect them form a myriad of ills," is
what keeps me going. During the 26 years that I've done
this work, I've collapsed in terrible grief about three
or four times. At those times, I just cry until there
are no more tears, pick myself up, and keep on going...
I'm encouraged by a couple of quotes: "Never, never,
never, never give up," Winston Churchill and "Failure is
impossible," Susan B. Anthony. We will win one day. I'm
getting to watch it in my lifetime, which is thrilling.
When I began my work, all those many years ago, the
circumcision rate was 85-95%, and the number of us
speaking out could be counted on one hand. Today, just a
quarter of a decade later, the circumcision rate is 55%
nationwide and 69% of boys born in the west are being
spared the pain, trauma, and harm of genital cutting.
That's an amazing and phenomenal social change in a
short period of time. We are winning!" |
|
13:27:35 |
Marilyn_Milos |
Next... |
|
13:27:38 |
dnr3301 |
my mother (anti-circ) is an RN in L&D. She says the
insurance companies here already don't cover it, but
that the hospital just writes them off, essentially
doing them for free. How do we fight that? If it's not
the $$$, why are they so invested in it? |
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13:30:58 |
Webmama_Tina |
current question: dnr3301 .....upcoming chatter(s):
liseux Quirky Ms.Doula |
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13:32:32 |
Marilyn_Milos |
It's an incredibly strange compulsion to maintain the
dominant paradigm, the status quo, and the current
medical model. The faster they get rid of the foreskin,
the quicker they can feel normal about their own
genitals, or the genitals of their husbands and sons.
Since doctors are refusing to put their scalpels down,
education of parents, lawsuits, demonstrations,
letter-writing campaigns, and more are needed. Nurses
for the Rights of the Child is a conscientious objector
group, saying they refuse to participate in the torture
and mutilation inherent in circumcision. Your mother
might want to contact them. Also, Doctors Opposing
Circumcision encourages physicians to put their scalpels
down. It's going to take us all...doing whatever we can.
Your mother might want to give an inservice at the
hospital for the physicians and nurses. She can also
take up the issue with the Ethics Board of the hospital,
encourage the hospital itself to become a conscientious
objector facility. |
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13:32:44 |
Marilyn_Milos |
Next? |
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13:32:50 |
Webmama_Tina |
especially the ad above the user list...that one is only
up for a week! that's our website of the week. :) |
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13:33:12 |
Webmama_Tina |
] current question: liseux .....upcoming chatter(s):
Quirky Ms.Doula |
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13:33:21 |
Webmama_Tina |
liseux you're up! |
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13:33:22 |
talenak |
? |
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13:33:38 |
Sustainer |
? |
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13:34:01 |
Webmama_Tina |
upcoming chatter(s): Quirky Ms.Doula talenak Sustainer |
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13:34:17 |
Webmama_Tina |
marilyn at this rate we could probably go on all day,
LOL...did you want a cutoff time? :) |
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13:34:22 |
dnr3301 |
I think Lisa's Q was about the Catholics Against Circ
and has already been discussed |
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13:34:23 |
Quirky |
Is liseux there? |
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13:34:30 |
dnr3301 |
I think. |
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13:34:34 |
Webmama_Tina |
liseux is here but mayb she's away |
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13:34:48 |
Marilyn_Milos |
How many more questions are in the queue? |
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13:34:53 |
Webmama_Tina |
last chance liseux....aer you there there? |
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13:35:08 |
Webmama_Tina |
i have 4 plus liseux, who seems to be unavailable |
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13:35:25 |
Marilyn_Milos |
I'm happy to answer them. |
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13:35:28 |
steffanie3 |
I think she already asked her question at the top |
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13:35:43 |
Webmama_Tina |
oh ok |
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13:35:48 |
Webmama_Tina |
quirky you're up then! |
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13:35:49 |
callumsmom2001 |
Hello all, I just logged in :) |
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13:36:09 |
Webmama_Tina |
callumsmom2001 we're just finishing up but you're
welcome to listen :) |
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13:36:41 |
Quirky |
Hey Tara! My next question is, and I hope I'm not
repeating anything that's already been asked, is how do
you effectively get through to circed men who are such
huge denial about the consequences of circ? My husband is
of the school of thought (denial?) tha |
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13:37:10 |
Quirky |
that OK fine we wont' circ our son but it's no big deal
and I'm just fine. How can I convince him or others that
circ is so bad without makin him feel bad about what
he's lost? |
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13:37:35 |
Webmama_Tina |
current question: Quirky .....upcoming chatter(s):
Ms.Doula talenak Sustainer |
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13:37:49 |
Webmama_Tina |
At this time, the queue is full. Questions already in
line will be asked, but we cannot take anymore today.
Sorry for the inconvenience. |
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13:39:24 |
Webmama_Tina |
that's a really good question quirky...my dh is the same
way |
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13:44:48 |
Webmama_Tina |
more reminders :) |
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13:45:01 |
Webmama_Tina |
these help keep mommychats alive and kicking...so please
check them out :) |
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13:46:02 |
Webmama_Tina |
hang tight mamas, marilyn is probably typing. :) |
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13:46:06 |
Ms.Doula |
Should there ever be ANY of the glands(?) showing at the
tip of the intact penis? I have caught a glimpse of it a
few times while cleaning/diaper changing my son. There
sometimes is a bit of diaper cream/powder there Im
curious, as this is my first boy... ;) |
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13:46:27 |
Webmama_Tina |
hold on ms doula, quirky is still waiting for her
question to be answered. :) |
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13:46:46 |
Ms.Doula |
sorry. :( |
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13:46:51 |
Webmama_Tina |
no worries ;) |
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13:47:58 |
Webmama_Tina |
you still typing marilyn? |
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13:49:04 |
Marilyn_Milos |
Foreskin length, like the length of toes, fingers, and
noses vary. If the glans (a Latin word that means acorn,
unlike glands, which are different anatomical
structures, is exposed in some boys, it's normal. As
will all body parts, they're a variation on the theme.
It's probably a good idea not to put power on his penis
because it can cause pain in the urethra. No soap
either. Simply use warm water to wash him. He's a lucky
boy to have his foreskin! |
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13:50:10 |
Webmama_Tina |
woops, i think we missed quirky's question... |
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13:50:20 |
Marilyn_Milos |
I'm going to need to leave the group at noon, but if
anyone has more questions for me, feel free to contact
me directly at nocirc@cris.com . I'll respond as quickly
as I can. |
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13:50:37 |
Webmama_Tina |
i can repost quirky's question for ya marilyn |
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13:50:40 |
Webmama_Tina |
and that's fine. :) |
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13:50:50 |
Webmama_Tina |
you got ms doula's now...here's quirky's.... |
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13:50:59 |
Marilyn_Milos |
Okay, next? |
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13:51:19 |
Webmama_Tina |
My next question is, and I hope I'm not repeating
anythign that's already been asked, is how do you
effectively get through to circed men who are such huge
denial about the consequnces of circ? My husband is of
the school of thought (denial?) tha 11:37 AM [Quirky]
that OK fine we wont' circ our son but it's no big deal
and I'm just fine. How can I convince him or others that
circ is so bad without makin him feel bad about what
he's lost? |
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13:51:22 |
Ms.Doula |
thanks,marilyn. ;) |
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13:51:31 |
Webmama_Tina |
that's from quirky |
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13:52:24 |
Marilyn_Milos |
Did my lengthy response to the question not get posted
earlier? |
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13:52:40 |
Webmama_Tina |
nope i didn't see it, sorry...did anyone else see it? |
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13:52:44 |
talenak |
no |
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13:52:45 |
Webmama_Tina |
didn't show up on my screen |
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13:52:52 |
Quirky |
bummer! |
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13:53:02 |
Marilyn_Milos |
Oh no, well here I go again... |
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13:53:07 |
Webmama_Tina |
sorry :( |
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13:53:42 |
Webmama_Tina |
maybe hit enter after a couple sentences so it posts as
you go. :) |
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13:53:51 |
Webmama_Tina |
less likely to lose a lot |
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13:54:44 |
Webmama_Tina |
current question from Quirky......upcoming chatter(s):
talenak Sustainer |
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13:56:00 |
Marilyn_Milos |
You can explain to your husband that circumcision is a
primal wound that interferes with the maternal/infant
bond, disrupts breastfeeding and normal sleep patterns,
and undermines an infants first developmental task. It
leaves both physical and psychological scars. To
understand what is lost, take you husband's hand and
gently and lightly rub your fingernail along the back of
it. The nerve endings that send signals to his brain of
what he's feeling are Pacinian corpuscles, which feel
deep pressure and pain. Then, turn his hand over and
gently rub the palm of his hand. The sensory difference
is incredible. The |
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13:58:08 |
Marilyn_Milos |
nerve endings that send those messages are called
Meissner's corpuscle, which feel light touch. They're
the kind of nerve endings in the fingertips, but nowhere
in the body are they more concentrated than in the
ridged band that encircles the opening of the foreskin.
They tell a man what his penis is feeling and where he
is in relation to the ejaculatory trigger. Ten to twenty
thousand of these nerve endings are amputated with
circumcision. Whatever is left the frenular tissue on
the underside of the penis is what's left. Otherwise,
the glans has few of these sensory organs. |
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13:58:56 |
Marilyn_Milos |
Okay, dears. Thanks for having me. I have to close now.
Again, I'm glad to help anyone with other questions.
Either write to Ask the Expert on the Mothering website
or you can contact me directly. |
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13:59:01 |
Marilyn_Milos |
Love, Marilyn |
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13:59:03 |
Webmama_Tina |
thankyou marilyn!!! |
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13:59:07 |
talenak |
thanks! |
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13:59:08 |
Webmama_Tina |
you are awesome!! |
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13:59:14 |
Webmama_Tina |
i sooooo appreciate you hanging in there with us! |
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13:59:35 |
Webmama_Tina |
woops, she's gone |
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13:59:36 |
Ms.Doula |
thanks so much! |
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13:59:48 |
Webmama_Tina |
her email again is nocirc@cris.com |
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13:59:59 |
Webmama_Tina |
i hope you guys enjoyed the chat! |
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14:00:02 |
Webmama_Tina |
very informative! |
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14:00:12 |
hummingbear |
Thank you Bye |
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14:00:14 |
Ms.Doula |
this was interesting..... was a first for me ;) |
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14:00:23 |
hummingbear |
me too |
