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21:08:26 |
Webmama_Tina |
i'm so glad to have marty lane with us
tonite! |
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21:09:04 |
Webmama_Tina |
once again, info on this chat.... |
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21:09:37 |
Webmama_Tina |
In the process of being a stay at home
homeschooling mom, Marty Lane notes that
she learned as much as her children.
Drawing from those experiences, she
authored and published Learning At Home:
A Mother's Guide To Homeschooling. The
book bears the unique honor of having
been translated into Indonesian, and the
third English language edition (the
Newly Revised Edition) will be in print
mid-February 2007. Her children are all
grown up now, but Marty wouldn't trade
the years her family spent in the park,
at the beach, in their backyard, or in
the house—years rich in experience,
relationships, time, and books—for
anything. Marty speaks at various
homeschooling conferences and presents
workshops about mothering, education,
homeschooling, and having fun. She also
teaches infant massage and
games-to-play-with-a-baby classes (an
early literacy program she developed) to
new parents and their babies. Marty was
a volunteer La Leche League Leader for
12 years. In addition to writing and
publishing Learning At Home: A Mother's
Guide To Homeschooling, Marty has also
recorded Brighten the Day—songs she
and her kids sang for years, that
celebrate the seasons. Visit her website
at
www.martylayne.com . |
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21:11:00 |
Webmama_Tina |
anything you'd like to add to that intro
marty? |
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21:11:11 |
Marty Sings |
Now that my children are grown up and
adults, I have time to do things like
speak in chat rooms.:) If you read
through my intro as posted you'll know I
had 4 children and homeschooled them
k-12 |
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21:11:45 |
Marty Sings |
I am happy to share my perspective on
learning, creating a learing environment
and burnout as well as other topics of
interest |
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21:11:56 |
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21:13:07 |
Webmama_Tina |
well marty, i'm just starting out on
this homeschooling adventure so i am
sure i can come up with a load of
questions, LOL! |
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21:13:27 |
Webmama_Tina |
lets start with musician_mother
though...since she got her question mark
up there first! :) |
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21:13:36 |
Webmama_Tina |
you're up musician_mother! :) |
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21:14:07 |
mollyoh |
? |
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21:14:08 |
musician_mother |
thank you....just wondering exactly how
to homeschool regarding materials |
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21:15:38 |
Marty Sings |
There are so many materials available to
use homeschooling that I can't give you
a one size fits all answer. I'd
recommend spending more money on toys
such as blocks, dolls, art materials,
books then on curriculum materials. |
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21:16:08 |
Marty Sings |
It all depends on the age of your
children. What are there ages? |
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21:16:24 |
musician_mother |
11 months:) |
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21:16:31 |
Marty Sings |
MY typos will be myriad so hopefully you
can read what I mean |
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21:17:20 |
Marty Sings |
IN the second chapter of my book I go
into a great deal of detail about
materials and creating a learning
environment. That might be helpful for
oyu. |
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21:17:36 |
musician_mother |
thank you |
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21:18:26 |
Marty Sings |
You're welcome! |
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21:18:27 |
Monette |
? |
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21:18:40 |
Webmama_Tina |
monette, go ahead |
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21:19:06 |
Webmama_Tina |
ohhhh woops |
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21:19:08 |
Webmama_Tina |
sorry |
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21:19:20 |
Webmama_Tina |
mollyoh was next |
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21:19:28 |
Webmama_Tina |
sorry molly, missed ya til just now |
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21:20:03 |
Webmama_Tina |
go ahead mollyoh |
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21:20:13 |
mollyoh |
that's ok. my question is about
family. My mother is finding the idea
of homeschooling really tough. I\m
finding hearing her voice in my head all
the time really tough. Any advice?" |
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21:20:52 |
Webmama_Tina |
current chatter: mollyoh..... upcoming
chatters: Monette, Webmama_Tina |
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21:21:32 |
Marty Sings |
One of the things to remember when
family members question homeschooling is
that it can soemtiems feel like a
criticism. I found it helped to listen
empathetically and reflect back the
feelings that are being expressed. |
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21:22:21 |
mollyoh |
thanks. I think I\ve tried that and
perhaps she's just so far away it
hasn't worked yet. I\"ll keep listening
for her feelings ( and hope she hears
mine!)" |
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21:22:24 |
Marty Sings |
Grandparents want the best for their
grandchildren and homeschooling seems
such a strange choice. It does help
that there are so many families who have
doen this and their chidlren are fine. |
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21:22:55 |
mollyoh |
yes, I wish she knew some. Any
homeschoolers I introduce her to she
finds fault with. |
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21:23:19 |
Webmama_Tina |
marty do you have any or know of any
great articles that maybe you could
recommend that are written maybe with
this in mind? |
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21:23:24 |
Marty Sings |
Often our own parents can't hear our
feelings. You may never be able to
convince her that homeschooling is a
good idea. Then it is an internal
problem for you in how to deal with that
- can you agree to disagree |
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21:24:11 |
Marty Sings |
Chapter 8 in my book about preventing
burnout addresses some of these issues.
There are not a lot of things written
about this that i have found |
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21:24:19 |
mollyoh |
YOu know, today I was wondering just
what it is I want from her. I think I
would like her to notice some of the
good things I am doing for the kids. |
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21:24:22 |
mollyoh |
Thanks again. |
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21:24:31 |
emilikow |
? |
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21:24:45 |
Webmama_Tina |
here's something i wrote...not
professional by any means, but i did
write it specifically with the inlaws in
mind:
http://fresnofamily.com/homeschool/believe.html
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21:25:02 |
SandraMort |
Is it regarding structured or
unschooling, Tina? |
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21:25:05 |
Marty Sings |
Molly - you may find that this comes a
few years down the road. |
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21:25:06 |
Webmama_Tina |
don't know if it would help, but thought
i'd share...i'm sure there are
professionally written ones out there
somewhere :) |
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21:25:13 |
Webmama_Tina |
just homeschooling in general |
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21:25:17 |
SandraMort |
Oh, okay. |
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21:25:33 |
Webmama_Tina |
monette is up next! :) |
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21:25:37 |
Monette |
I am planning to homeschool my daughter
in the fall. She'll be in 4th grade, and
has been at a Waldorf school since
kindergarten. I am planning to use a
Waldorf-based curriculum, but I'd love
ideas on what a typical homeschooling
day would look like. |
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21:27:29 |
Marty Sings |
A typical homeschooling day can look
anyway you want it to - some people
follow a curriculum and do school type
things in the morning leaving the
afternoon free to do other stuff. it
depends on you and your daughter and
what you're comfortable with. |
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21:28:26 |
Marty Sings |
I follwed a child-directed style of
homeschooling so my chidlren spent a lot
of time playing, I read many hors of
stories ot them everyday and we went to
the beach, the museum, the library etc. |
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21:28:50 |
Monette |
Sounds wonderful! So, no curriculum? |
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21:29:03 |
Marty Sings |
At first most new homeschoolers follow a
schedule, but overtime, many find that
the schedule gets in the way of learning |
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21:29:44 |
Monette |
Interesting. Other than your book, what
other resources would you recommend for
a new homeschooler -- books, websites,
etc.? |
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21:29:47 |
Webmama_Tina |
darned if i can get myself into a
schedule! LOL |
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21:30:06 |
Marty Sings |
We followed a curriculum that occurred
organically. My sons were interested in
medival Lego so we read about those
times, etc. My daughter was fascinated
by families and generations so we read
all of the books about Laura Ingalls
Wilder and her various f |
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21:30:23 |
Marty Sings |
family members |
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21:30:47 |
SandraMort |
Gets expensive :) |
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21:30:51 |
Webmama_Tina |
sounds a little charlotte mason-y :) |
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21:31:04 |
Webmama_Tina |
(reading up on her right now...really
liking the ideas so far) |
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21:31:16 |
SandraMort |
? |
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21:31:19 |
Marty Sings |
My book :), A_Z Home's Cool site and the
library |
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21:32:04 |
Monette |
Thanks, Marty. I'm definitely buying
your book! |
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21:32:44 |
Marty Sings |
Basic craft supplies, art supplies, good
quality paper, recorders, etc. are also
fun things - By the way I have 6 copies
of my 2nd edition left New edition
should be available soon. Check my
website |
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21:33:38 |
Marty Sings |
YOu're welcome Monette - Have fun! I
think that's the main ingredient of a
great homeschooling curriculum |
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21:34:27 |
Webmama_Tina |
current chatter: Webmama_Tina...upcoming
chatters: emilikow, SandraMort |
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21:34:38 |
Webmama_Tina |
ok my question is regarding
homeschooling and toddlers... |
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21:35:07 |
Webmama_Tina |
i haven't done much yet with my 6yr
old...nothing structured at
least...because my 19mo son makes it
darn near impossible |
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21:35:19 |
Marty Sings |
That sounds familiar |
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21:35:29 |
Webmama_Tina |
i would love some ideas for what to do
to keep the baby entertained so i can do
focused work with my daughter |
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21:35:35 |
Webmama_Tina |
the second i try to do anything he is
on top of us |
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21:35:39 |
Webmama_Tina |
or tearing it up |
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21:36:00 |
Webmama_Tina |
and his naps are not long enough to
really get into much....he always wakes
up mid-way |
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21:36:17 |
Webmama_Tina |
just as we get involved in something, it
seems, he's awake |
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21:36:41 |
Webmama_Tina |
so this year i've been saying we are
\unintentionally unschooling\"....LOL" |
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21:36:45 |
Marty Sings |
Yes - I would have loved that, too.
Play-doh sometimes works or nursing the
toddler. when people asked me what i
did with my younger children while I was
teaching my older ones, I always said
the real question is what were the older
ones doing while I |
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21:37:36 |
Marty Sings |
was busy with the younger ones. Can you
read to your 6 yr old and toddler at the
same time? And perhaps bedtime is the
best time to have focused attention with
your 6 yr old a great time to read and
talk. Mental math can be done anywhere
and anytime |
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21:37:51 |
Marty Sings |
Play games like I-Spy or 20 questions |
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21:38:02 |
Webmama_Tina |
sometimes i can...not for long
though...he tends to turn the pages for
us...really fast, lol |
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21:38:13 |
Marty Sings |
And your 6 yr old is learning a lot
interacting with you and her younger
sibling |
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21:38:36 |
SpikesMom |
? |
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21:38:45 |
Webmama_Tina |
and bedtime is daddy's realm, since the
baby needs me direly at that point |
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21:38:53 |
Webmama_Tina |
i-spy is a good idea |
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21:38:54 |
Marty Sings |
The other suggestion that works for some
people is to have a teenagers come in
and play with your toddler so you and
your 6 yr old can do something together. |
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21:39:04 |
Webmama_Tina |
something i can do without blocking him,
lol |
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21:39:10 |
canadianmom |
Hey Tina,Hi everyone |
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21:39:20 |
Marty Sings |
Can daddy do soemthing with your toddler
before bedtime so you and your daughter
have some time together? |
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21:39:34 |
Webmama_Tina |
yeah i think i may have to look for a
mother's helper...i REALLY need one |
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21:40:13 |
SandraMort |
cheaper than tuition for private school |
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21:40:16 |
Webmama_Tina |
we've tried that but the baby just goes
so ballistic for me in the evening...its
exhausting...the more i try to distract
him with daddy teh more he tends to want
me... *sigh* so we are just trying to
ride this out |
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21:40:44 |
Webmama_Tina |
current chatter: Webmama_Tina...upcoming
chatters: emilikow, SandraMort,
SpikesMom |
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21:41:06 |
Webmama_Tina |
just wondered if you knew any other
great tricks ;) |
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21:41:11 |
Marty Sings |
Riding it out is often the only way to
do it. You may find that a younger
child - 10-11 yr old might be a great
mother's helper. Contact your local
homeschooling group and see if there
aren't some kids that age willing to
play |
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21:41:31 |
Webmama_Tina |
i've even tried setting him up wtih his
own activities while we do
something...but he won't have anything
to do with it...wants what big sister is
doing and that's all that he'll have,
LOL |
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21:41:34 |
Marty Sings |
It will change :) |
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21:41:44 |
Webmama_Tina |
ok thanks |
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21:41:52 |
Webmama_Tina |
yeah i keep telling myself that *sigh* |
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21:42:07 |
Webmama_Tina |
might have been easier if they weren't
so far apart in age, cuz then he'd have
been older...oh well |
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21:42:13 |
canadianmom |
tina I still have problems leaving my 4
yr old. I have to let dh do bath,story
etc as he always asks for me. We tend to
trade off alot lol |
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21:42:32 |
Marty Sings |
Yes - of course. He's learning by
copying which is what toddlers do at
that age. while you're doing things
together - all three of you you can be
sharing vocabulary - numbers, addition
etc while playing with block, dolls,
etc. |
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21:43:37 |
Marty Sings |
You're welcome. I think it helps to
lower your expectations. Your daughter
is learning all the time, but it must be
frustrating not to have individual time
with her. |
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21:44:06 |
Webmama_Tina |
yeah i just try to squeeze in what i can
when i can...i guess there's nothing
much else i can do...i'll keep trying to
get more help...i sure could use it |
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21:44:08 |
canadianmom |
tina my kids are almost 5 yrs apart lol |
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21:44:21 |
Webmama_Tina |
yeah mine too canadianmom |
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21:44:37 |
Webmama_Tina |
ok emilikow, you're up! |
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21:44:40 |
Webmama_Tina |
current chatter:emilikow ...upcoming
chatters: SandraMort, SpikesMom |
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21:44:43 |
emilikow |
i have a question similar to molly oh -
how did you explain your homeschooling
decision with non-homeschooling friends
with kids (who ask questions - what
about socialization etc?) without making
them turn defensive? |
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21:44:51 |
canadianmom |
I can realte as my 9 yr olds expects the
4 yr old to play at his level |
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21:45:05 |
canadianmom |
relate |
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21:46:51 |
Marty Sings |
I don't know if it is possible. I
tried, but often people would tell me
that they had thought of homeschooling
but didn't have the same kind of
patience I did. I like the shoe store
image - not every child wears the same
size or kind of shoe so why would |
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21:47:03 |
Marty Sings |
edcuation be a one size fits all deal? |
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21:47:59 |
Marty Sings |
Socialization is such a hot topic.
Depending on the depth of friendship, I
woudl say various things. Mainly I
tried to make it clear that each family
makes a decision to educate the chidlren
in ways that seem best to them. |
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21:48:01 |
Webmama_Tina |
good analogy |
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21:48:38 |
emilikow |
hyea that's good - just to say i think
it's best for US and try to leave it at
that |
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21:48:45 |
emilikow |
\ |
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21:48:45 |
emilikow |
mj\ |
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21:49:08 |
Webmama_Tina |
ok sandra, you're up |
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21:49:18 |
Webmama_Tina |
i'm guessing emili got logged off by a
little one, LOL |
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21:49:24 |
Marty Sings |
One of the reasons that I chose
homeschooling ever so long ago was
because of the socialization issues.
There is so much that goes on in school
that adults aren't aware of that have
lifetime effects on a person's
self-image. |
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21:49:39 |
Webmama_Tina |
absolutely! |
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21:49:55 |
Webmama_Tina |
i like the article \no thank you, we
don't believe in socialization\" on that
topic...have you seen that marty? " |
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21:50:16 |
Marty Sings |
I haven't see that Time - I'll look for
it |
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21:50:18 |
SandraMort |
will be inappropriate, and therefore a
waste of money. I haven't been able to
get my hands on a copy to preview. Have
you used it and if so, how much is
religious Christian stuff? |
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21:50:35 |
Webmama_Tina |
http://www.homeeducator.com/FamilyTimes/articles/10-1article1.htm
|
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21:50:46 |
emilikow |
sorry that was ds - thanks marty |
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21:51:42 |
Webmama_Tina |
current chatter:SandraMort ...upcoming
chatters:SpikesMom |
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21:52:02 |
SandraMort |
I don't know anyone who has used it. |
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21:52:06 |
Marty Sings |
I haven't seen it. If you are hesitant,
go with your gut. I am sure you can
find activities form the books
themselves - making butter, planting
things, sitting in a field and
listening, etc. I can come up with a
whole bunch of things and would be happy |
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21:52:18 |
Marty Sings |
to share that with you privately |
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21:52:42 |
SandraMort |
I wasn't looking for activities, I was
specifically asking about the books, but
thank you. |
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21:53:23 |
Webmama_Tina |
spikesmom, you're up! |
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21:53:27 |
SpikesMom |
Hello... We're planning to homeschool
our currently 6 mo. I was wondering if
there are things you would suggest we
can do (or not do) at this point to
create an environment that will nurture
self-motivated learning when he becomes
of \school age\". " |
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21:53:33 |
Marty Sings |
I am working on various unit study plans
to share the resources I discovered
while helping my children learn at
home. My husband also has reams of
material - he teaches grade4/5 using
curriculum he designs |
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21:55:22 |
Marty Sings |
Cary your baby with you when you go
places, talk to him, sing with him, read
to him if he's interested and go outside
for walks. Learn about child
development and talk to other moms who
are homeschooling. Enjoy your son! |
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21:56:49 |
Webmama_Tina |
does anyone else have any last questions
for marty before we close up this chat? |
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21:56:51 |
Marty Sings |
Babies come self-motivated. They are
always learning. We are the mirrors for
their growing awareness and
understanding - so spending time with
him is one of the best ways to encourage
his development. |
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21:57:26 |
SpikesMom |
So it sounds like AP stuff just leads
naturally into homeschooling... good
deal |
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21:57:50 |
SpikesMom |
thanks! |
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21:57:57 |
Marty Sings |
Yes it can - it is a choice that seems
to follow. |
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21:58:35 |
Webmama_Tina |
i have a quick last question...do you
have any recommendations on how to teach
a 6yr old about money? specifically,
about the coins and their values and
such |
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21:58:48 |
Webmama_Tina |
i have been scouring the net and so far
found a couple ideas...just wondering
what you did with your kiddos? |
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21:59:06 |
Marty Sings |
You're welcome. Happy Mothering to all
of you! Enjoy your children - look at
photos of them from 6 month before and
think that 6 months from now you'll say
- \oh they were so little then\". " |
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22:00:39 |
Marty Sings |
We had a jar of coins and played with
them almost daily when they were between
4-6. A carpeted area works best - we'd
sort them into stacks, discuss how
strange it was that a dime was worth
more than a nickel, etc. And we'd do
simple addition problems |
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22:01:11 |
Webmama_Tina |
cool, that's what i was thinking...using
the actual coins vs worksheets and
such...i like the hands-on approach
best. ;) |
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22:01:20 |
Webmama_Tina |
ok thank you so much marty! |
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22:01:31 |
Marty Sings |
with them. It wasn't so much a teaching
situation as a playing situation.
You're welcome. |
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22:02:16 |
Marty Sings |
Until a child is about 8-9 I think it is
best to use manipulatives and mental
math - no written down math with charts,
problems works sheets unless they ask
for it. |
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22:02:37 |
Webmama_Tina |
thank you marty! |
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22:02:40 |
SandraMort |
We're having a lot of fun doing math
integrated with cooking |
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22:02:40 |
Webmama_Tina |
great advice! |
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22:03:06 |
Webmama_Tina |
maeven is totally into math right now,
so much more so than reading] |
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22:03:08 |
SandraMort |
Thank you, Marty |
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22:03:20 |
Marty Sings |
Yes - My daughter being the youngest
child basically always worked in base 6
and learned to divide and multiply by
six through baking cookies, cakes etc. |
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22:03:21 |
Webmama_Tina |
thank you! and thank you all you mommies
for coming tonite1 |
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22:03:25 |
SandraMort |
Aren't there some math books? I mean,
fiction about math? |
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22:03:31 |
Webmama_Tina |
transcripts will be up soon... |
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22:03:58 |
Webmama_Tina |
i post to the egroup when i upload
transcripts |
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22:04:03 |
Webmama_Tina |
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22:04:12 |
Marty Sings |
Encyclopedia Brown books are about
logic |
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22:04:31 |
Webmama_Tina |
oh my i LOVED encyclopedia brown as a
child! |
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22:04:53 |
Webmama_Tina |
look for charlotte mason book
lists...there will be something on math
in there...she is all about \living
books\" vs textbooks" |
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22:05:36 |
Marty Sings |
Math is everywhere. Origami is math,
knitting is math, it's a much bigger
field than just numbers. :) |
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22:05:43 |
Webmama_Tina |
http://www.pennygardner.com/mathclassics.html
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22:05:50 |
Webmama_Tina |
yup |
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22:05:53 |
Webmama_Tina |
so fascinating! |
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22:06:50 |
Webmama_Tina |
thank you and have a good nite
everybody! |
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22:06:55 |
Marty Sings |
I'll say goodbye for now - thank you for
your questions. I hope that I've
helped. All the best - Marty |
