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16:07:25 |
Webmama_Tina |
today our guest speaker is dr paul fleiss...dr fleiss,
why don't you introduce yourself and tell us a little
about your background and expertise? :) |
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16:09:17 |
paulfleissmd |
I am very proud of being honored by Mothering". Making
me a "Living Treasure" several issues ago was something
special for me. have you all seen that article?" |
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16:09:56 |
Webmama_Tina |
hm, i think i missed that...going to have to go back
into my issues and find it now :) |
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16:10:53 |
Quirky |
Definitely well-deserved! |
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16:11:19 |
Sustainer |
I saw it :) |
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16:12:14 |
paulfleissmd |
I am a Pediatrician with a strong interest in Human
Milk. I would like to see every baby breastfeeding.
When one knows the advantages of breastfeeding one can
almost solve every problem |
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16:13:25 |
ourwiefamily |
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16:13:27 |
feebee |
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16:13:27 |
Webmama_Tina |
sorry mamas, something weird is happening today...angie
and i both got booted from that chat and that like never
happens |
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16:13:33 |
Webmama_Tina |
i'm back now |
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16:13:39 |
paulfleissmd |
I also do not believe in harming babies and have a very
strong interest in stopping infant circumcision |
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16:13:42 |
Quirky |
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16:15:28 |
Webmama_Tina |
ok i'm sorry for confusing things...did someone ask
their first question yet? angie and i are catching up. |
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16:15:40 |
ourwiefamily |
I was first in line but haven't asked yet |
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16:15:48 |
Webmama_Tina |
ok thanks.. so we really didn't get behind |
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16:15:49 |
MOD_Angie |
upcoming chatter(s): ourwiefamily MOD_Angie
feebee Quirky |
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16:16:00 |
paulfleissmd |
i also do not believe in letting infants cry themselves
to sleep. We are a family and should treat our babies
the way we would want to be treated |
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16:16:48 |
Webmama_Tina |
that's when i came back in...ok sorry mamas! technical
difficulties...for some reason firefox has been crashign
a lot on me lately....i switched to IE and we'll see if
that works better for now...very weird...its been
closing on me lately even just browsing the net...sorry
dr fleiss, please continue and let angie know when
you're ready for the first question. :) |
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16:17:47 |
paulfleissmd |
I have a special interest in nutrition,herbs and drugs
also |
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16:18:05 |
paulfleissmd |
I am ready |
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16:18:21 |
Webmama_Tina |
ok then ourwie, you're up! :) |
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16:18:30 |
ourwiefamily |
Could you please tell us the titles of the books you
have written that would be of interest to mothers? |
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16:18:30 |
willowsmom |
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16:18:34 |
Webmama_Tina |
and don't mind me as i post the info reminders here and
there for newcomers |
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16:18:35 |
MOD_Angie |
upcoming chatter(s): ourwiefamily MOD_Angie feebee
Quirky |
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16:19:07 |
paulfleissmd |
SWEET DREAMS"" |
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16:19:36 |
ourwiefamily |
What is it about? |
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16:19:48 |
Webmama_Tina |
good question, and i'll put up the amazon links to those
books at the top of these transcripts when i upload them
on sunday |
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16:19:50 |
paulfleissmd |
WHAT YOUR DOCTOR MIGHT NOT TELL YOU ABOUT CIRCUMCISION |
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16:20:56 |
MOD_Angie |
tina, link them to mothering.com for the books, they
have them there |
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16:21:28 |
paulfleissmd |
Sweet Dreams is about sleep and not letting your baby
CRY it out |
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16:21:58 |
Webmama_Tina |
well i'm an affiliate of amazon so i get a tiny kickback
;) |
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16:22:09 |
MOD_Angie |
oh yeah, ok ignore me |
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16:24:15 |
Webmama_Tina |
are there more books dr fleiss? |
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16:25:22 |
paulfleissmd |
any questions or do you want me to just ramble on? Just
two books |
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16:25:49 |
debbiej74 |
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16:25:53 |
MOD_Angie |
My question involves my 28 month old daughter......she
is still waking every 2-3 hrs and the only thing that
gets her back to sleep is nursing, any suggestions? She
is a very determined little girl, so she gets mad if I
don't let her nurse. I don't prefer to let her cry
herself back to sleep either. :-( |
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16:26:32 |
Webmama_Tina |
no worries dr fleiss :) moving along to the next
question...when you are done answering a question you
can just say something like next question" and angie
will cue up the next person" |
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16:27:02 |
paulfleissmd |
Nurse her back to sleep It will soon pass t |
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16:27:47 |
paulfleissmd |
There are many things to do to prepare her to sleep all
night |
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16:29:00 |
vonnie |
hey everybody! |
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16:29:29 |
MOD_Angie |
Every night before bed, she has a bath, and then we go
upstairs to nurse to sleep in bed. She is so different
than my oldest, she is a very stubborn girl and very
determined. She is a handful for sure! |
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16:29:39 |
MOD_Angie |
but she then wakes a couple hours later |
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16:30:05 |
Webmama_Tina |
hi vonnie, glad you made it... Friendly Reminder:
Please do not post unless it is your turn to ask a
question. If you have a question, please post a single
?" and you'll be added to the queue. Have your question
ready when your name is called. THANKYOU! :)" |
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16:30:23 |
paulfleissmd |
Why does she wake up? probably not hunger and probably
not to just prevent you from sleeping she probably is
dreaming --you watch her REM sleep |
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16:30:42 |
Webmama_Tina |
dr fleiss is our guest speaker today. :) |
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16:30:50 |
Webmama_Tina |
At this time, please keep all side conversations to
private message (PM). To PM someone, please double click
their name in the user list to the right (in purple).
Clicking their name in the main window will only paste
their name into the chat. |
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16:31:06 |
MOD_Angie |
REM sleep, what do I look for? |
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16:31:28 |
paulfleissmd |
add a little Lavender oil to her bath or give her a
night time massage with Lavender oil |
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16:31:48 |
MOD_Angie |
I do notice when she is falling into deep sleep, she
twitches, is that normal? |
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16:32:12 |
MOD_Angie |
I need to be more constitent with the lavendar for sure |
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16:32:25 |
MOD_Angie |
consistent* |
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16:33:44 |
Milakais |
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16:34:47 |
doulasarah |
Hello? |
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16:35:27 |
paulfleissmd |
Watch her eyes and then she might chuckle,laugh,talk,
move in her sleep but sometimes she will startle and
wake up--probably having a dream of something that
happened before going to sleep--maybe a big dog, a
frightening scene on TV or some other scarry thing |
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16:35:27 |
Webmama_Tina |
hello doulasarah, we are chatting with dr paul fleiss
today...if you'd like to get in line to ask a question
just post a single question mark. :) |
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16:36:17 |
MOD_Angie |
what do I do when I notice these things? What about if
I am asleep when it happens? |
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16:36:59 |
gentlestrength |
? |
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16:37:38 |
paulfleissmd |
Sleep is a difficult issue and does not deserve a simple
answer-- one really needs a more complete history |
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16:38:35 |
paulfleissmd |
Just be there for her when she awakens and is frightened |
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16:40:41 |
paulfleissmd |
when everyone closes their eyes to sleep they want to
feel safe and secure and babies feel best when they are
in mother's arms |
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16:42:02 |
MOD_Angie |
ok thank you, everything you said makes sense, I am keep
an eye on her and become more consistent with her bath
oil and hold her tight at night (my only time to cuddle
a toddler) |
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16:42:24 |
feebee |
How long does a child receive immunological benefits
from breastfeeding? In other words, how much milk does a
child need to consume to get those benefits (like an
older toddler nursing 3x a day, say)? (sorry 2yo needs
me didn't want to hold you all up) |
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16:42:36 |
MOD_Angie |
upcoming chatter(s): feebee Quirky debbiej74
Milakais gentlestrength |
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16:44:25 |
paulfleissmd |
mothers milk is always protective for the baby--nursing
3X a day is very good for a toddler |
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16:45:59 |
paulfleissmd |
Mothers milk has hundreds of immunological ingrediants |
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16:47:10 |
paulfleissmd |
WHO said a million babies die every year because they
are not breastfed |
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16:48:20 |
Sustainer |
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16:48:41 |
Webmama_Tina |
when you are done answering a question, dr fleiss, you
can just say next question" for us to move on to the
next person. :)" |
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16:49:09 |
paulfleissmd |
It is very difficult to put a number of ounces a baby
needs to recieve protection but the more the better |
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16:49:30 |
paulfleissmd |
next question |
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16:49:31 |
Quirky |
How do we get doctors to step up to the plate on
informed consent for circumcision? Too many doctors only
say Great that you're not circing, it's not necessary"
AFTER the parents have announced their decision to keep
their baby intact." |
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16:49:43 |
MOD_Angie |
upcoming chatter(s): Quirky debbiej74 Milakais
gentlestrength Sustainer |
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16:49:48 |
Webmama_Tina |
10 more minutes in this chat. :) |
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16:49:52 |
MOD_Angie |
At this time, the queue is full. Questions already in
line will be asked, but we cannot take anymore today.
Sorry for the inconvenience. |
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16:52:14 |
paulfleissmd |
Let them watch the Penn & Teller video and remind the to
do No harm. No physician has any business performing a
circumcumcision |
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16:52:52 |
paulfleissmd |
sory for the mis-spelling |
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16:53:44 |
paulfleissmd |
invite them to join NOCIRC or DOC |
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16:53:48 |
Webmama_Tina |
is there somewhere to purchase that video dr fleiss? |
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16:54:36 |
Webmama_Tina |
NOCIRC is http://www.nocirc.org/ i am not familiar with
DOC? |
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16:55:40 |
Webmama_Tina |
last week's mothering chat was with marilyn milos of
nocirc...transcripts are posted to the mothering page:
http://mommychats.com/mothering/index.htm |
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16:55:46 |
paulfleissmd |
ibelieve DOC will send them free--Thats Doctors opposing
Circumcision I don't have their email address here but
I will get it |
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16:55:47 |
Webmama_Tina |
lots of circ info there |
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16:56:06 |
Webmama_Tina |
i can look up their site...lets see... |
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16:57:18 |
Webmama_Tina |
http://faculty.washington.edu/gcd/DOC/ looks like it
might be their site? does that look familiar dr fleiss? |
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16:58:13 |
Webmama_Tina |
and were you saying that DOC will send the penn and
teller video free? |
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16:58:33 |
paulfleissmd |
The articles for MOTHERING I wrote are in a booklet
available from them WHERES MY FORESKIN"" |
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16:59:28 |
paulfleissmd |
YES that is there site |
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16:59:37 |
Webmama_Tina |
oh i see that DOC does have a domain name:
http://doctorsopposingcircumcision.org/ apparently that
redirects to that link above |
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16:59:39 |
Webmama_Tina |
ok thankyou |
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17:00:12 |
MOD_Angie |
upcoming chatter(s): debbiej74 gentlestrength
Sustainer |
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17:00:15 |
Webmama_Tina |
well our time is up, dr fleiss do you have time for 3
more questions or shall we wrap it up? |
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17:00:17 |
paulfleissmd |
next question |
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17:00:49 |
Webmama_Tina |
its up to you if you have time or not :) |
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17:00:53 |
paulfleissmd |
OK three more |
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17:00:57 |
Webmama_Tina |
great thanks :) |
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17:01:19 |
MOD_Angie |
debbie, ur turn to ask ur question |
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17:01:20 |
debbiej74 |
First, I just wanted to say hi from a former patient.
Our family moved away in January and we miss you. Now
my question--are you aware of the proposed Male Genital
Mutilation bill (currently without a Congressional
sponsor)? |
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17:01:29 |
debbiej74 |
Do you think it will go anywhere? |
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17:02:10 |
debbiej74 |
And secondly, what will it take for the AAP to come out
with a policy against circ as opposed to their current
neutral policy? |
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17:02:43 |
paulfleissmd |
I am not aware of it It might go any place now but if
we keep trying it will |
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17:02:58 |
debbiej74 |
Here's a link to a story about it
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/04/08/colb.circumcision/index.html |
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17:03:45 |
paulfleissmd |
I can visualize the day when NO more genital mutilation
is done by anyone |
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17:03:59 |
MOD_Angie |
that would be peaceful!!! |
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17:05:45 |
paulfleissmd |
The AAP will follow what the people want. It is for all
of us to stand up and say DO NO HARM AND STOP HURTING
BABIES |
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17:06:06 |
paulfleissmd |
NEXT |
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17:06:08 |
gentlestrength |
our dentist recently told us that our 4yo's cavities wer
eprobably from nursing until she was 3. his
recommendation to us was to quit nursing my 2 year old
son. we're not listening of course, but he says that he
is in line with AAP's recommendations. |
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17:06:08 |
MOD_Angie |
upcoming chatter(s): gentlestrength Sustainer |
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17:06:34 |
gentlestrength |
i told him WHO's recommendations and told him also that
AAP doen'st say to STOP at 12 months, it's AT LEAST for
12 months and he thought i was CRAZY |
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17:06:45 |
gentlestrength |
i want to officially complain. do you know who i would
complain to? |
