| 13:10:03 |
Webmama_Tina |
slow group today! |
| 13:10:09 |
MOD_CelticAngel |
Hi Peggy |
| 13:10:10 |
Webmama_Tina |
more mods then chatters! |
| 13:11:10 |
Peggyo |
Well, what questions do you
mods have? |
| 13:11:14 |
Webmama_Tina |
:) |
| 13:11:15 |
MOD_Beckie |
LOL! |
| 13:11:34 |
Webmama_Tina |
since we're so small...for now
at least i think peggy can handle us just throwing out
questions |
| 13:11:41 |
MOD_Beckie |
Peggy, did you always know you
would grow up to ROCK?? LOL! |
| 13:11:46 |
MOD_CelticAngel |
lol |
| 13:11:49 |
Peggyo |
Now don't throw them, children.
Be nice. |
| 13:12:13 |
Webmama_Tina |
if we pick up to the point of
needing a qeue we'll do that then |
| 13:12:17 |
Webmama_Tina |
lol |
| 13:12:19 |
Webmama_Tina |
well yes |
| 13:12:44 |
Peggyo |
LOL. The question gives me
pause to be sure.... Did not know I would rock, but sure
wanted to. |
| 13:12:50 |
Webmama_Tina |
LOL |
| 13:12:52 |
MOD_CelticAngel |
If I vanish or don't answer
anyone I'm potty training twins. God help me. :) |
| 13:12:53 |
MOD_Beckie |
:) |
| 13:13:02 |
Webmama_Tina |
ROFL celtic |
| 13:13:06 |
Webmama_Tina |
ok |
| 13:13:06 |
Peggyo |
God help you is right. Keep us
posted. Call for help. |
| 13:13:11 |
MOD_Beckie |
Goodness, Angel! Can you come
and do my one when you are done :) |
| 13:13:19 |
MOD_CelticAngel |
lol No Beckie |
| 13:13:22 |
MOD_Beckie |
LOL! |
| 13:13:26 |
Webmama_Tina |
ROFLMAO |
| 13:13:30 |
MOD_Beckie |
I need to get her started, for
sure!! |
| 13:13:34 |
Webmama_Tina |
ok there is something to be
said about casual chats |
| 13:13:37 |
MOD_CelticAngel |
and funny thing is my boy is
doing better than my girl. |
| 13:14:04 |
Peggyo |
Not for long. |
| 13:14:08 |
MOD_CelticAngel |
lol |
| 13:14:27 |
Peggyo |
Where do you all live? I'm in
Santa Fe. |
| 13:14:39 |
MOD_CelticAngel |
Ft. Worth, Texas |
| 13:14:41 |
Webmama_Tina |
fresno, california |
| 13:14:45 |
MOD_CelticAngel |
well... just south of Ft. Worth |
| 13:15:11 |
MOD_Beckie |
Clovis, CA |
| 13:15:25 |
MOD_Beckie |
Hey, Celtic, hows teh weather
there? My son is in Aledo, TX |
| 13:15:41 |
MOD_CelticAngel |
sunny but cold |
| 13:15:42 |
MOD_bumwrap |
:bf |
| 13:15:49 |
MOD_CelticAngel |
been pretty cold the last few
days |
| 13:15:52 |
MOD_CelticAngel |
warming back up a bit though |
| 13:15:53 |
Webmama_Tina |
(clovis is a suburb of
fresno...beckie and bumwrap are local friends of mine...in my
AP mommy group) |
| 13:16:02 |
Peggyo |
What does the sling thing image
mean? |
| 13:16:05 |
Webmama_Tina |
ok not officially a suburb, but
practically |
| 13:16:12 |
MOD_bumwrap |
lol |
| 13:16:19 |
MOD_Beckie |
HEY! We are not a suburb! |
| 13:16:22 |
Webmama_Tina |
lol |
| 13:16:25 |
MOD_bumwrap |
you are a barnacle on fresnos
butt, lol |
| 13:16:26 |
MOD_Beckie |
We are a different way of
life!! |
| 13:16:28 |
MOD_Beckie |
LOL!! |
| 13:16:31 |
Webmama_Tina |
coulda fooled me! |
| 13:16:31 |
MOD_bumwrap |
:D |
| 13:16:43 |
MOD_Beckie |
it's nursing I think, or
slinging a babe at the keyboard |
| 13:16:53 |
MOD_Beckie |
Jen are you wearing a child at
the moment?? LOL |
| 13:16:59 |
Webmama_Tina |
yeah i need to work on the
emoticons...some are just too big |
| 13:17:02 |
MOD_bumwrap |
no, just testing smilies |
| 13:17:07 |
MOD_Beckie |
okay, LOL |
| 13:17:15 |
Webmama_Tina |
hey jen, can you help splendid
find her way here? :) |
| 13:17:24 |
MOD_bumwrap |
I reduced the nak one as much
as possible |
| 13:17:26 |
MOD_bumwrap |
yup |
| 13:17:28 |
Webmama_Tina |
ok, lets get some questions for
peggy..... |
| 13:17:29 |
Peggyo |
I like that we are a national
and an international community of moms. Do you think there are
more groups available for support for moms? You know about
API. Do you know about Holistic Moms Network and National
Association of Mothers' Centers and Families for Natural
Living? |
| 13:17:31 |
MOD_Beckie |
:toddlerbf |
| 13:17:34 |
MOD_Beckie |
This is me right now :) |
| 13:17:55 |
Webmama_Tina |
nope, haven't heard of those
peggy |
| 13:17:58 |
MOD_Beckie |
No I haven't |
| 13:18:00 |
Peggyo |
These images are hilarious. I
get the picture! |
| 13:18:01 |
Webmama_Tina |
API, we have a local group |
| 13:18:11 |
Webmama_Tina |
actually those came frOM MDC! |
| 13:18:22 |
Webmama_Tina |
ack, but they do slow things
down |
| 13:18:28 |
MOD_CelticAngel |
And there's the groups for
Twins too. |
| 13:18:33 |
MOD_Beckie |
not for me :) Love cable modem |
| 13:18:55 |
MOD_Beckie |
AP group for twins?? |
| 13:18:57 |
MOD_Beckie |
Cool! |
| 13:19:08 |
Webmama_Tina |
actually...i did hear of the
mother's centers one....i got their how to start a mother's
center brochure |
| 13:19:15 |
MOD_Beckie |
I imagine it would be hard to
be AP with muliples, I already have no where to sleep with
just the one |
| 13:19:23 |
Peggyo |
I would love to see mothers
groups and mothers centers in every town. It would be great to
have a center where you could go meet with other moms, go to
classes, take out books, buy natural products. There is one of
them in San Francisco, Natural Resources. |
| 13:19:27 |
Webmama_Tina |
its on my list of things to do |
| 13:19:32 |
Peggyo |
PS Tina, should we disable the
pix? |
| 13:19:52 |
Webmama_Tina |
well we can just ask people not
to use them for now |
| 13:19:54 |
MOD_Beckie |
We have discussed a mothers
center here in Fresno |
| 13:19:55 |
Peggyo |
Beckie: |
| 13:20:04 |
Peggyo |
Beckie, have you considered a
room of beds! |
| 13:20:10 |
MOD_Beckie |
that's what I need, LOL! |
| 13:20:12 |
Webmama_Tina |
hi splendid! |
| 13:20:19 |
splendid |
hi |
| 13:20:22 |
MOD_bumwrap |
we have one queen & 2 twins |
| 13:20:29 |
MOD_bumwrap |
all in our room |
| 13:20:50 |
Webmama_Tina |
since we are pretty small right
now we've been just throwing out stuff to peggy....so far the
traffic is slow enough to handle it |
| 13:21:01 |
Peggyo |
I had a room of beds at one
point and used to wake up and hear everyone breathing. Didn't
last long in retrospect. |
| 13:21:09 |
MOD_bumwrap |
lol |
| 13:21:09 |
Webmama_Tina |
lets not do anymore of the big
emoticons though, cuz it does slow us down |
| 13:21:16 |
MOD_bumwrap |
works great here |
| 13:21:18 |
MOD_Beckie |
we have a queen with a crib
side carred, and it takes up a huge amount of space in our
tiny room |
| 13:21:26 |
MOD_bumwrap |
only one has her own room |
| 13:21:39 |
Webmama_Tina |
ah, another chatter! |
| 13:21:42 |
MOD_Beckie |
My son sleeps on the couch, so
I stole his room for storage, LOL! |
| 13:21:47 |
splendid |
I can't sleep when I hear other
people breathing either |
| 13:22:03 |
Webmama_Tina |
ok.....anyone have nay
questions for PEGGY? |
| 13:22:14 |
Webmama_Tina |
my stupid caps doesn't work
right, forgive me |
| 13:22:41 |
Peggyo |
It takes a while for them to
transition to their own rooms. Be creative. We had a bed on
wheels that rolled under our bed and we would roll it out at
night and two of the kids would sleep there. They transitioned
from fam bed to nearby to their own rooms. It does happen! |
| 13:23:13 |
MOD_Beckie |
Well, DD is only 2, so I am not
in any hurry to move her, but I do have to start thinking
about sleeping arraingements as we are trying for #3 |
| 13:23:24 |
Webmama_Tina |
hey jen, you got another PM |
| 13:23:27 |
MOD_Beckie |
But DS is 13 he pretty much
crashes where ever, LOL! |
| 13:24:00 |
MOD_Beckie |
I have an actual question! |
| 13:24:04 |
Webmama_Tina |
ok lets go back to the
moderated format...we've got enough now.... |
| 13:24:07 |
MOD_Beckie |
? |
| 13:24:12 |
redharon |
thank you |
| 13:24:12 |
MOD_Beckie |
Welcome to this week's
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ready when your name is called." |
| 13:24:17 |
Webmama_Tina |
i'll do the qeue |
| 13:24:20 |
redharon |
? |
| 13:24:47 |
MOD_Beckie |
Please do not post unless it is
your turn to ask a question. If you have a question, please
post a single ?" and you'll be added to the queue. Have your
question ready when your name is called." |
| 13:24:48 |
Webmama_Tina |
ok beckie you are first...then
redharon |
| 13:25:00 |
MOD_Beckie |
At this time, please keep all
side conversations to private message (PM). To PM someone,
please double click their name in the user list to the right
(in purple). Clicking their name in the main window will only
paste their name into the chat. |
| 13:25:29 |
redharon |
go, Becky! :-) |
| 13:25:44 |
Webmama_Tina |
apparently we just have a bunch
of latecomers, lol |
| 13:25:46 |
MOD_Beckie |
My question is I have two
children a 13 year old who is here part time, and a two year
old. We are trying for #3. What is the best way to introduce
the idea of another baby to them both? |
| 13:26:01 |
MOD_Beckie |
I worry that my son feels
slighted because he's not here all the time |
| 13:26:54 |
Butterflymom |
Hello, MDC mamas! |
| 13:27:09 |
MOD_Beckie |
Please do not post unless it is
your turn to ask a question. If you have a question, please
post a single ?" and you'll be added to the queue. Have your
question ready when your name is called." |
| 13:27:19 |
splendid |
? |
| 13:28:17 |
MOD_Beckie |
Did that make sense, or is
Peggy typing?? lol |
| 13:28:44 |
Webmama_Tina |
hopefully she's typing and not
having computer problems |
| 13:29:03 |
Webmama_Tina |
ok just to recap...beckie's up
now, then redharon, then splendid |
| 13:29:13 |
Peggyo |
We always worry that each one
is not getting enough. You could make some special time with
you 13 years old to see how he's doing with the part-time but
at his age their are bound to issues he has about all kinds of
things. I would suggest conversation and books. For the young
one, books about babies and how they are born. There are some
sweet ones. And for the 13 year old, special talk and time.
Checking in. And, if they can attend the birth in their own
way and be part of the pregnancy they can't help but be
attached to the new one. And, your loyalties are with your
present children now, but once the new one is born you will
think he or she has been part of the family forever. |
| 13:29:52 |
MOD_Beckie |
thank you, I think at this
point, my 13 year old son just hopes I don't have a baby while
he's here, LOL |
| 13:31:00 |
Webmama_Tina |
ok redharon, you're next |
| 13:31:29 |
redharon |
What do you think of recent
books such as Home Alone America:The Hidden Toll of Day Care,
Behavioral Drugs, and Other Parent Substitutes? What do you
think of recent books such as Home Alone America: The Hidden
Toll of Day Care, Behavioral Drugs and oth |
| 13:31:37 |
redharon |
Please let me try again. Having
problems. |
| 13:31:51 |
Webmama_Tina |
lol no worries |
| 13:32:42 |
redharon |
What do you think of recent
books such as Home Alone America, with regard to attachment
parenting, the famous Bowlby monkeys and the research which
supports that mom and child should be together, that is
optimal, or a *permanent* mother substitute? |
| 13:32:48 |
Webmama_Tina |
ladies feel free to PM one of
the mods (they are blue and start with MOD" if you have any
questions" |
| 13:33:10 |
redharon |
And research regarding daycare,
especially prior to three years of age as detrimental to the
parent-child bond and social, mental health of the child? |
| 13:34:28 |
Webmama_Tina |
hang in there ladies...i think
peggy's computer is not cooperating... |
| 13:35:39 |
Webmama_Tina |
if anyone is having problems
with the chat...make sure that you've read all the info above
in the big purple box |
| 13:35:53 |
redharon |
As well as movements toward
'quality childcare' ie government subsidized childcare which
further reduces the time for parent-child attachment? Is
working outside the home, for full time working mothers truly
'just a choice', as you see it or are |
| 13:36:18 |
redharon |
there inconsistencies with
fostering attachment, bonding, relational knowledge between
parent and child when the quantity of time spent together is
so limited? |
| 13:36:41 |
laurag |
Hi guys - Peggy is having a
computer problem - she'll be right back - sorry! |
| 13:37:14 |
Webmama_Tina |
while we're waiting for
peggy.... could y'all please take the time to visit
www.mommychats.com/quilt.htm ...its a fundraiser i'm doing for
april hinds, baby levi's mom |
| 13:37:22 |
squirrelmom |
Hi everyone...and Peggy. I am
sorry to be joining this chat so late. |
| 13:37:25 |
Webmama_Tina |
levi was born with cancer |
| 13:37:48 |
MOD_Beckie |
At this time, please keep all
side conversations to private message (PM). To PM someone,
please double click their name in the user list to the right
(in purple). Clicking their name in the main window will only
paste their name into the chat. |
| 13:37:53 |
MOD_Beckie |
Not you Tina, LOL! |
| 13:38:03 |
MOD_Beckie |
I was trying to post about how
to ask a question ;) |
| 13:38:06 |
MOD_bumwrap |
Please do not post unless it is
your turn to ask a question. If you have a question, please
post a single ?" and you'll be added to the queue. Have your
question ready when your name is called." |
| 13:38:45 |
MOD_Beckie |
Welcome to this week's
Mothering Sponsored chat! This is a moderated chat. Please
make sure you read and fully understand the Moderated Chat
Instructions before participating in this chat. Instructions
can be found here: http://www.mommychats.com/modrules.htm ...A
Friendly Reminder: Please do not post unless it is your turn
to ask a question. If you have a question, please post a
single ?" and you'll be added to the queue. Have your question
ready when your name is called." |
| 13:39:05 |
Webmama_Tina |
you can click on links and they
will open in a new window and not boot you out of this chat |
| 13:39:08 |
MOD_Beckie |
If you have not already read
over the rules, please do so, while we wait for Peggy :) |
| 13:39:11 |
peggyo |
I'm so sorry, I had computer
trouble again. Would you please repeat the last question. |
| 13:40:03 |
zoesmummy |
I'm not sure if I'm doing this
right! How is everyone today? |
| 13:40:10 |
redharon |
Hmmm.not able to copy and past
my question. Can mods help or should I read the screen and
retype my question? |
| 13:40:30 |
MOD_CelticAngel |
Try pushing the up arrow on
your keyboard |
| 13:40:32 |
Electra375 |
? |
| 13:40:38 |
MOD_CelticAngel |
it will scroll through your
last few messages |
| 13:40:52 |
Webmama_Tina |
i'll copy/paste it...hold
on.... |
| 13:40:54 |
redharon |
Yeah, I can see my question but
I'm not getting a cursor when I attempt to select the text,
copy, paste |
| 13:41:32 |
Webmama_Tina |
[redharon] What do you think of
recent books such as Home Alone America, with regard to
attachment parenting, the famous Bowlby monkeys and the
research which supports that mom and child should be together,
that is optimal, or a *permanent* mother substitute? |
| 13:41:53 |
Webmama_Tina |
you have to use the copy/paste
button in the toolbar...its the one that shows 2 pieces of
paper |
| 13:42:08 |
Webmama_Tina |
it makes a new window pop up
and then you can do ctrl c in there |
| 13:42:21 |
Webmama_Tina |
there ya go peggy, that was her
question :) |
| 13:42:26 |
redharon |
And research regarding daycare,
especially prior to three years of age as detrimental to the
parent-child bond and social, mental health of the child? |
| 13:42:42 |
peggyo |
I'm not familiar with this
book, but would like to see it. I found the research of John
Bowlby very helpful to me in supporting my own parenting. It
makes sense to me. I totally agree that mom and babe need,and
I mean need, to be together. |
| 13:44:10 |
redharon |
As well as movements toward
'quality childcare' ie government subsidized childcare which
further reduces the time for parent-child attachment? Is
working outside the home, for full time working mothers truly
'just a choice', as you see it or are |
| 13:44:11 |
peggyo |
The attachment period is the
first 3 to 5 years of age. Research shows that if there are
severe separations from caregivers in the first three years of
life, we get psychosis. In the first five, neurosis. This is
in the extreme, but it points to the importance of mother baby
contact during the first 3 to 5 years of life. |
| 13:44:25 |
redharon |
there inconsistencies with
fostering attachment, bonding, relational knowledge between
parent and child when the quantity of time spent together is
so limited? |
| 13:44:26 |
Webmama_Tina |
current lineup--redharon is up
with her question, then next is splendid and then electra375 |
| 13:45:35 |
peggyo |
Quality time is a myth. We need
lots of time with the ones we love. What if you said to your
friend or husband, Honey, I love ya, but let's just spend some
quality time togehter. We don't need to see each other all the
time."" |
| 13:46:54 |
peggyo |
Next question, please. |
| 13:47:09 |
Webmama_Tina |
ok splendid, you're up |
| 13:47:39 |
splendid |
Can you post what I PM you I am
having trouble copying and pasting |
| 13:47:47 |
Webmama_Tina |
oh sure, hold on... |
| 13:48:17 |
Webmama_Tina |
[splendid] This maybe
long-winded: My son will be 4 in Jan. He is so full of love.
We are finding it hard to fulfill his want for love, he just
has so much to give and wants so much to be loved. We
sometimes think we are not doing enough. We are t about TTC
late Dec-Jan, how/can I make a transition with my son, so his
needs are still met and giving him the love he needs? Does
that make sense, I'm going to try to include him in
everything? I keep thinking he will lose out. |
| 13:48:38 |
splendid |
thank you |
| 13:48:44 |
Webmama_Tina |
sure thing |
| 13:49:25 |
peggyo |
What do you mean TCC. I'm not
sure what you are saying |
| 13:49:43 |
Webmama_Tina |
fyi...the button right above
where you type that is to the left of the magnifier with the
plus sign and to the right of the speaker...the one with 2
sheets of paper...that's the copy/paste button...that will
open a new window and you can copy/paste from there |
| 13:49:46 |
MOD_bumwrap |
TTC=Trying to concieve |
| 13:52:32 |
peggyo |
Makes total sense. Don't worry,
you Splendid one! He wil not lose out. He will have a sibling.
I sometimes think they have a stronger bond with each other
than with us. I'm convinced they call to each other before
they are born. So, include him in your pregnancy and the birth
if that works for you all. And, you will see how your
loyalties will change once the baby is born. I'm sure you are
meeting his needs. You are not supposed to be perfect as a
parent, but to be an authentic human being solving problems,
meeting challenges. That is real life. Do your best. That's
enough. |
| 13:53:29 |
peggyo |
Next question, please. |
| 13:53:34 |
Electra375 |
How can I get rid of my anger
that I have over my 6yr olds birth via c/s, uncaring med prof
and no breastmilk to speak of after the traumatic birth and
the continued anger after my 2rd olds scheduled c/s b/c med
prof didn't give me informed consent. Altho |
| 13:53:36 |
Webmama_Tina |
electra375, you're up |
| 13:53:41 |
Webmama_Tina |
woops she beat me, lol |
| 13:54:02 |
Webmama_Tina |
anyone else with
questions...post a single ?" and i'll add you to the
list....electra was last on my list!" |
| 13:54:08 |
Electra375 |
Although I did bf him. I
thought too that having a hba2c would help, but I'm only more
angry about the first two births |
| 13:54:26 |
Electra375 |
and the injustice I was served |
| 13:58:05 |
Electra375 |
OT or too loaded of a question? |
| 13:58:25 |
Webmama_Tina |
hang on, peggy takes time to
type out responses... :) |
| 13:58:31 |
Electra375 |
ok |
| 13:58:35 |
peggyo |
I think that's why most of us
get involved in birth activism, because of our own traumatic
births. Pam England, author of Birthing from Within, was my
midwife with my last birth, 22 years ago. Two weeks after
Nora's birth, Pam gave birth to her son by cesarean. It blew
her life away. She was a midwife and it shouldn't" have
happened to her. So many of us have started this way. Pam went
on to develop a whole method of childbirth preparation to help
women. But, the anger. The anger is just. The anger must be
lived through. You must feel it fully, be brutally honest with
yourself about what really happened. Go crazy with it in your
mind. Do you need to draw it, make art of it that you burn up
or doing something dramatic with. Act it out. Then let it go
and get to forgiveness cuz that is the only way you will ever
be free of it. But, you can't get to healing and forgiveness
until you feel and free it. Do you have friends who help you
with these feelings?" |
| 13:59:36 |
peggyo |
I'm glad you had a hba2c. Are
you congratulating yourself enough? |
| 14:00:10 |
Webmama_Tina |
good advice |
| 14:00:37 |
Electra375 |
no one here seems to really
understand my problem w/ the obs and the c/s. I was on such a
high for months after my hb. I have gotten involved in some
local mw support groups changing legistlation in my state, but
that almost makes me more sick |
| 14:01:33 |
MOD_Beckie |
If you have a question, please
post a single ?" and you'll be added to the queue. Have your
question ready when your name is called." |
| 14:01:39 |
Webmama_Tina |
electra have you read this
article by gretchen humphries:
http://www.plus-size-pregnancy.org/CSANDVBAC/shouldbegrateful.htm |
| 14:02:39 |
Webmama_Tina |
its short and really good |
| 14:02:44 |
peggyo |
Electra, do you realize how
courageous you are? How strong? How much you have already
healed by having this homebirth. My friend Stephanie would say
that you are ready for that birth, ready to heal the past.
But, it won't all go away at once. Give it time. Then you will
be able to be more active. It's better to be angry than afraid
in this situation. |
| 14:03:07 |
peggyo |
next question, please |
| 14:03:19 |
Webmama_Tina |
ok squirrelmom is next...lemme
copy/paste it |
| 14:03:21 |
Electra375 |
Thank you...... |
| 14:03:32 |
peggyo |
Thank you, you are an
inspiration. |
| 14:04:01 |
Webmama_Tina |
[squirrelmom] There has been a
lot of discussion on the mdc boards about the current lawsuit
going on in Seattle with a homebirth midwife who allowed her
client the choice to stay home rather than be induced at the
hospital after she was past 42 weeks. The baby died. How can
we fight this establishment that is now turning midwives
against midwives. I want to have choices when I birth and I
want my midwife to support those choices, but it seems even
midwives are becoming fearful of the dreaded lawsuit. |
| 14:04:59 |
Webmama_Tina |
we have less than 15min
left...anyone else want to get any last minute questions in,
please post a single ?"...i have no one else on the list right
now" |
| 14:07:55 |
peggyo |
This is a classic question,
coming around again. I comfort myself in the fact that
progress means a struggle. Homebirth is strong in Seattle and
thus will be attacked. I am concerned too about the attacks on
freedom on choice in birth and the lack of evidence based
care. I don't know how midwives can avoid getting in the
political fray if they are going to gain more birth territory.
Perhaps the key is that we citizens need to start state and
local organizations to support midiwives. They need our help
fighting their legal battles. And,we need to have information
nights in our towns to clarify the evidence. How about a town
meeting in Seattle on this. Moderated by someone who can
handle it and bringing in ALL sides. Air it, fight it, win it. |
| 14:09:37 |
peggyo |
Sorry for the rah rah, I
understand it's a serious matter, but we have to learn to talk
to people on the other" side." |
| 14:09:55 |
peggyo |
Do we have another question,
Tina? |
| 14:10:07 |
Webmama_Tina |
nope...unless someone wants to
jump in at the last minute.... |
| 14:10:17 |
squirrelmom |
I think that is a great idea,
but I find that the main issue is that there are other
midwives who passionately oppose the freedom that this midwife
gave to her client. They say the liability is too strong.
Aren't they supposed to be our allys? |
| 14:10:25 |
Webmama_Tina |
last chance...only time for one
last question, if that |
| 14:10:28 |
squirrelmom |
sorry, I am a slow typer. |
| 14:10:51 |
Webmama_Tina |
no worries |
| 14:11:30 |
peggyo |
Yes, but there has always been
a difference of opinion among midwives regarding risk. Usually
the line is drawn between the nurse midwives and the
independent or licensed midwives. Sometimes we find our allies
in surprising places and no, I don't think we can assume that
all midwives are created equal. |
| 14:12:24 |
Webmama_Tina |
thankyou so much peggy! this
went really well! |
| 14:12:30 |
Webmama_Tina |
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| 14:12:41 |
Webmama_Tina |
thankyou everyone for coming
today! |
| 14:12:47 |
Webmama_Tina |
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| 14:13:09 |
peggyo |
Thank you Tina and The Mods.
And, thank you all for attending the chat. Let's do it again
soon. |
| 14:13:10 |
Electra375 |
I would like to say one final
word to Peggy. If it were not for MDC and Mothering Mag I
would have never had a hb. Thank you for your mag and chat
website |
| 14:13:32 |
Webmama_Tina |
we also have a weekly
babywearing chat on the same day...don't have the time in
front of me, its recently changed.... |
| 14:13:39 |
squirrelmom |
Yes, thank you Peggy! |
| 14:13:47 |
Webmama_Tina |
that's wonderful electra! |
| 14:14:02 |
peggyo |
Thank you, Electra. That makes
me very happy. I sometimes worry that I put out this great
information, but know that the birth world out there is hard
to navigate. I'm glad you had the courage to not give up on
your own integrity. |
