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12:05:00 |
Webmama_Tina |
ok, peggy o'mara, publisher/editor of mothering
magazine... www.mothering.com ...is our guest speaker
today...welcome peggy! how about you do the usual intro
for those that don't know you yet. :) |
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12:05:47 |
Peggy_O_Mara |
Great to be here. Thanks, Tina, for hosting the chat.
I'm the mother of four adult children and have been the
editor and publisher of Mothering since 1980. |
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12:08:41 |
Peggy_O_Mara |
Do we have some questions or do you want me to say more
right now? |
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12:09:03 |
MOD_Angie |
upcoming chatter(s): Quirky |
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12:09:25 |
Webmama_Tina |
quirky has a question for ya... |
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12:09:30 |
Webmama_Tina |
go ahead quirky :) |
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12:10:06 |
Quirky |
Peggy, usually I enjoy your editorials immensely but
would really appreciate it if you could explain your
editorial from May/June 05 re: circumcision. It sounded
as if you were saying despite there being no medical
evidence that circumcision is beneficial, |
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12:10:33 |
Quirky |
it is still a complex personal matter and parents must
do what is right for their families," which I have often
heard used as a reason why parents circed." |
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12:11:04 |
Quirky |
Given that Mothering has been opposed to circumcision it
sounded very wishy-washy and not anti-circumcision. |
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12:11:23 |
Peggy_O_Mara |
Whoa. I sure did not mean to say that. I don't think
there is any medical justification for circumcision. I'm
looking right now to see what you saw. |
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12:11:32 |
nicole |
I have a question as well |
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12:11:39 |
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12:12:35 |
nicole |
? |
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12:12:37 |
talula_fairie |
? |
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12:13:14 |
Quirky |
Page 10, right hand column, halfway down of May/June 05 |
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12:14:32 |
mamalatte |
the first paragraph in the second column, nearer to the
top |
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12:15:06 |
Webmama_Tina |
gotta find my copy now too, lol |
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12:15:10 |
Peggy_O_Mara |
I'm still not sure what you see. I say that medical
circumcision is unuspported by scientific evidence and
that the decision is personal and complex. Maybe I
shouldn't have coupled it with vaccination. I think
people were disappointed that I didn't make it more of
one of the list at the end. I really didn't mean to say
anything wishy washy about circumcision. We have been
covering this issue since 1978 and encouraging people to
refuse medical circumcision. At any rate, I have along
history of criticizing medical circumcision. I hope
you'll consider that. |
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12:15:22 |
mamalatte |
I think the beginning of the paragraph |
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12:15:33 |
mamalatte |
has a thesis that supports the body being able to take
care of itself |
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12:15:42 |
mamalatte |
hence, why circumcise?"" |
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12:15:46 |
mamalatte |
that's what I got |
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12:15:48 |
Quirky |
That's what I thought. I think it would be great if you
could publish something clarifying it - a whole lot of
people got confused and took at as not strongly against
circ |
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12:16:02 |
Quirky |
It's been a huge subject at MDC |
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12:16:05 |
Webmama_Tina |
hang tight mamas...its quirky's time on teh floor right
now |
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12:16:25 |
Webmama_Tina |
y'all will get your chance...just make sure you post
your question marks for angie to keep track of who's
next. :) |
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12:16:30 |
MOD_Angie |
upcoming chatter(s): nicole MOD_Angie
talula_fairie |
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12:16:36 |
Peggy_O_Mara |
Well, you will love the two articles coming up in
Sept/Oct. One an anti-circ article by Karen Burka and
the other a side story on adult children suing their
parents for infant circumcision. I hope that helps. |
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12:17:04 |
Peggy_O_Mara |
I'm be happy to come on the boards and discuss with MDC
if you like. |
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12:17:12 |
Quirky |
That would be great! |
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12:18:04 |
eilis |
? |
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12:18:56 |
MOD_Angie |
upcoming chatter(s): nicole MOD_Angie
talula_fairie eilis |
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12:19:23 |
Peggy_O_Mara |
What I say is that natural family living trusts the body
and therefore is cautious about medical interventions. I
then say, Medical circumcision, for example, is
questioned because the procedure's claimed benefits
remain unsupported by scientific evidence." I don't see
that as being wishy washy and you may be reading into
the first paragraph something that is not there." |
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12:20:24 |
Quirky |
Well the part that appears wishy-washy is the statement
at the end that says we trust both in the inherent
integrity of the child's body and the inherent authority
of the parents to make decisions for the family. Most of
the pro-circers end argumetns with |
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12:20:29 |
Quirky |
it's right for our family." |
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12:20:34 |
Peggy_O_Mara |
I suppose that may sound tame to those of us who have a
long history a against medical circumcision. I was
trying to write this for someone new to NFL and trying
to portray it as more simple than sometimes people
think. |
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12:21:31 |
Peggy_O_Mara |
I get it. You're right. I shouldn't have coupled it with
vaccinations. I'm very sensitive to the issue of
religious circumcision so I may have been implying that
as well. |
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12:22:17 |
Quirky |
Thanks for clarifying! That makes me feel much better. I
wondered if it was a problem of packing a lot of info
into a little space. |
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12:22:18 |
Peggy_O_Mara |
It's just that I only think I can speak as an authority
about medical circumcision because I have no experience
with religious circumcision. |
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12:23:53 |
Peggy_O_Mara |
Oh, yeah. I have about 2000 words and I always have to
edit it a bit. I think it is more of sloppy writing
there, but it was very challenging to be complete
without being too overwhelming. I was really trying to
respond to all this media lately about how HARD (oh,
poor things) AP parenting is. I always found it so much
easier. |
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12:24:41 |
Quirky |
Thanks so much! I will gladly yield the floor to a
fellow mama now. :) |
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12:26:58 |
nicole |
Hi! I just wanted to ask a question about the current
ban on the TP in the forums with respect to pacifiers
and bottles.. previously mamas could sell and swap these
items, as I do think they have a spot in alot of NFL
families.. its not as cut and dry as |
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12:27:16 |
nicole |
just banning them outright based upon the WHO code which
was the explanation I got from CM. |
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12:31:17 |
Minniemouse |
wow nicole, i don't go to TP often at all... never knew
there was a ban on it |
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12:31:33 |
nicole |
its posted to a sticky |
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12:31:44 |
Webmama_Tina |
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12:32:08 |
Minniemouse |
hmm but there isn't any posting questions or answers?? |
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12:32:27 |
nicole |
I understood the idea behind it...however it seemed
rather flawed when you try to apply it to practice
speaking as a mother who ecologically breastfed and had
a baby who was very addicted to her soother ;-) |
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12:32:36 |
Webmama_Tina |
we take turns during moderated chats or else things get
really really busy and complicated. :) |
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12:32:39 |
Peggy_O_Mara |
Well, I know there's a fine line regarding people's use,
but I decided in the 80s to support the WHO Code for the
Marketing of Breastmilk Substitutes. This code was
enacted in the 80s, but in the works before that. And,
prior to that I had decided not to accept formula or
formula paraphenalia advertising in the mag. We don't
allow images of bottles or pacifiers in our ads as well.
I know this may seem extreme from a personal point of
view, but research shows that advertising of formula,
bottles and pacifiers undermines breastfeeding. 5000
babies die a day from lack of breastfeeding and while we
may dismiss this in the US, I am no naive about the
subtle effects of advertising these things.
Interestingly enough, formula just began being
advertised to consumers in the mid to late 1980s. Before
that it was only advertised to doctors and it was they
who recommended formula. It was treated more as a
prescription. This move was parallel to the hightest
breastfeeding rates ever in the US. The subtle and
pervasive actions of the formula companies to undermine
breastfeeding are ferocious. So, yes, if you want to
call it a ban and frame it that way, feel free. To me,
it is a voluntary compliance with an international
initiative that saves the lives of babies and that I
believe we should be in solidarity with. |
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12:32:52 |
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12:34:30 |
nicole |
as far as I could understand however a soother was not a
breastmilk substitute! it just seemed as if the choice
was being made for us .. as in possibly implying that we
may not be sensible enough to know of our own accord
when bottles and soothers had an |
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12:35:10 |
nicole |
appropriate place in the whole overall landscape of
things. |
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12:36:07 |
sistermama |
? |
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12:36:10 |
Peggy_O_Mara |
I have a long history in breastfeeding advocacy and know
a lot of the background information about the politics
of this. It's probably time for a new article, but check
out our older ones. It's really not about any judgment
of your choice. Obviously, you use them as you see fit.
Research shows that pacifiers, if that's what you mean
by a soother, undermine breastfeeding. I just don't want
to advertise products that undermine breastfeeding. |
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12:36:34 |
nicole |
I should clarify that I have never ever seen the TP
overrun with offers of formula and bottles and soothers
ever.. if and when they did pop up it was totally within
normal limits I would caution to say. |
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12:37:29 |
Minniemouse |
ahhh but what about those of us w/o choice?? as a WOHM
(not by choice but necessity) my dd ONLY received
breastmilk (that I went ABOVE and BEYOND to provide for
her).... I think that a ban on bottles is discriminatory
to those of us that are working moms |
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12:37:33 |
Peggy_O_Mara |
Do you think we should advertise super absorbent
disposable diapers that cause diaper rash because people
use the, even if in moderation. |
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12:38:34 |
Peggy_O_Mara |
It is foolish to frame my decision as being
discriminatory to working moms. Your logic implies that
there are no legitimate restrictions to commercialism. |
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12:38:37 |
nicole |
I agree minniemouse and there were several of us
offended by the ban" as a pregnant mama who lost her
supply early on and needed to provide donor milk to her
nursling via bottle." |
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12:38:37 |
Webmama_Tina |
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12:38:58 |
kaylasmama |
? |
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12:39:09 |
Peggy_O_Mara |
Now, let's go on to another question. This is not a
decision personal to you all. |
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12:39:18 |
MOD_Angie |
I was wondering if Mothering.com as ever thought of
having podcasts with different people that had been
featured in that month's magazine? This past week at
the LLLI conference in Washington, DC, they did that,
and I love listening to the different speakers right
here at my home. I would even be willing to pay extra
to get into the special area to listen to the podcasts! |
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12:40:06 |
Peggy_O_Mara |
I don't know what a podcast is. Sounds great, we'll look
into it. Does it go right to your ipod? |
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12:40:26 |
MOD_Angie |
any mp3 player including ur computer |
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12:40:44 |
MOD_Angie |
then they can be burned to CD and played in ur car |
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12:41:18 |
Peggy_O_Mara |
Would you please send me something, if you have it,
about how to find out about this. I could ask the LLL
gals. |
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12:41:32 |
MOD_Angie |
if u go to the LLLI site, there is a podcast that
explains what they are |
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12:41:42 |
Peggy_O_Mara |
Very cool. Thanks, Angie. |
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12:42:01 |
MOD_Angie |
your very welcome, and I hope you can get some podcasts
up and running |
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12:42:26 |
MOD_Angie |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Podcast |
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12:42:32 |
Peggy_O_Mara |
Could we do an online conference. |
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12:42:34 |
MOD_Angie |
upcoming chatter(s): talula_fairie ellis sistermama
kaylasmama |
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12:42:44 |
MOD_Angie |
YES!! |
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12:43:07 |
MOD_Angie |
it is a recorded conversation that can be played back
anytime |
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12:43:19 |
MOD_Angie |
http://leoville.com/blog/index.php/C32/ |
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12:44:38 |
Peggy_O_Mara |
Could this be like a regular Mothering radio broadcast
in a way, where we could do a live interview or Q&A and
it would be live on air? Thanks for the urls. |
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12:45:30 |
MOD_Angie |
a radio broadcast would be great! Are you familiar with
TIVo? |
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12:45:45 |
MOD_Angie |
well podcasts are like TiVO but for audio |
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12:46:29 |
Peggy_O_Mara |
Yes, I do know what TIVO is. I'll look into it for sure.
Then onto video streaming.... |
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12:46:50 |
MOD_Angie |
podcasts are strictly audio |
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12:47:00 |
Peggy_O_Mara |
Let's go on. |
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12:47:25 |
MOD_Angie |
upcoming chatter(s): talula_fairie ellis kaylasmama |
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12:47:57 |
talula_fairie |
Firstly I'd like to say that I love your editorials,
they have been very helpful to me and my family |
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12:48:12 |
Peggy_O_Mara |
Thanks so much. I'm glad to hear that. |
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12:48:41 |
talula_fairie |
I just wanted to know, is there a specific issue of
Mothering best to look at regarding vaccinations? I've
checked the back issues and I can find some with an
article about vaccinations, but I heard there is an
entire issue devoted to this? |
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12:48:52 |
talula_fairie |
If so, which issue is best to look at? |
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12:51:12 |
Peggy_O_Mara |
We now have a reprint of the articles that we published
in Sept/Oct and Nov/Dec of last year and for which we
won a journalism award. The issue is from 1976, Spring,
I think but I forgot the number. But, it's out of print
and has been put into our vacc book, which we are now
working on for fall publication. The article has risk
and benefit charts so you can compare the vaccine and
the disease. What specifically are you looking for? |
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12:52:07 |
Peggy_O_Mara |
You might want to call Kimber at 505-984-6292 and have a
conversation with her and then she can copy and send you
the articles you need. |
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12:52:58 |
talula_fairie |
I was looking for just basic facts on vaccinations, I've
done reasearch online but wanted to see what was written
in your magazine as well. |
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12:53:08 |
talula_fairie |
Thanks! I'll do that. |
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12:53:19 |
Peggy_O_Mara |
We can send you a copy of the old issue, but it's not
updated. |
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12:54:16 |
talula_fairie |
Thanks. I'll check out the issues from fall of last
year. I'm looking forward to the vacc book coming out. |
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12:54:44 |
Peggy_O_Mara |
Me too! Look for it in the fall. |
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12:56:07 |
Webmama_Tina |
4minutes left in the chat! :) |
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12:56:15 |
MOD_Angie |
At this time, the queue is full. Questions already in
line will be asked, but we cannot take anymore today.
Sorry for the inconvenience. |
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12:56:18 |
Webmama_Tina |
how many people left in the queue, angie? |
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12:57:27 |
MOD_Angie |
upcoming chatter(s): ellis kaylasmama Sustainer |
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12:57:32 |
eilis |
First, i want to say that i really appreciate it when i
see pictures of muslim women in hijab in your
magazine... it is refreshing to see mamas like me
represented as normal people along with everyone else.
:) |
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12:58:41 |
eilis |
that said, i believe that a lot of islamic practices"
are really compatible with AP, and i wonder if you ever
have or are ever planning on doing an article on
breastfeeding (or other AP practices) in the muslim
community?" |
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12:59:34 |
Peggy_O_Mara |
Thank you for noticing. It's really important to show
our real readers, real people in the mag. We don't
always have good sources of Muslim families and
surprisingly, we don't have enough good sources of
African-American families so do send us photos or let us
know of good photographers in your communities. |
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13:00:32 |
Peggy_O_Mara |
I believe that Cynthia, our Webmaster, wants to write
that article. But, I would love the article. Many of the
Prophet's teachings are in keeping with AP, no doubt. Do
you want to send a query? If so, send to ashisha@mothering.com
Would love it. |
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13:01:42 |
eilis |
i will! thankyou :) |
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13:01:51 |
Peggy_O_Mara |
You're most welcome |
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13:03:02 |
MOD_Angie |
