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21:09:09 |
Webmama_Tina |
tonite we are so happy to have sarah
buckley return for another chat with us! |
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21:09:10 |
teagreenribbons |
Tina, its alright |
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21:09:33 |
Webmama_Tina |
sarah, why don't you introduce yourself
and tell us a little about your
background and expertise and anything
else you'd like to share |
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21:09:43 |
Webmama_Tina |
and when you're ready to start taking
questions just let us know |
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21:10:18 |
sarahjbuckley |
Thanks Tina, ell, I'm tarined as a
family physician (GP here in Australia)
and I've taken a braek the last few
years to concentrate on my family and on
writing |
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21:10:18 |
Webmama_Tina |
and for the rest of you mamas...angie is
once again our lovely queuekeeper...so
go ahead and throw out a single question
mark at any time to get in line to ask
sarah a question...angie will let you
know when its your turn to talk. :) |
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21:10:45 |
teagreenribbons |
K |
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21:11:18 |
sarahjbuckley |
I like to use my medical background to
research the whole story in areas liek
ultrasound, epidurals, cesareans, cord
clamping and much more, I've recently
collected all my best articles into a
book, just out here in aus this week |
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21:11:48 |
sarahjbuckley |
See my website
www.sarahjbuckley.com , my book is
Gentle Birth, Gentle Mothering: The
wisdom and science of gentle choices in
pregnancy, birth, and parenting |
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21:12:45 |
teagreenribbons |
Guess, I will start |
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21:12:50 |
sarahjbuckley |
I alos have 4 children, all born at hoem,
and I spent 3 graet weeks in teh US last
month, my first trip, spaeking about
ecstatic and undisturbed birth at
conferences in San Diego and irvine, I
loved meeting Peggy O'Mara! |
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21:12:52 |
Webmama_Tina |
that's www.sarahjbuckley.com without
the comma :) |
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21:12:57 |
Webmama_Tina |
teagreenribbons not yet |
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21:13:14 |
sarahjbuckley |
Ok, lets go Tina! |
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21:13:16 |
teagreenribbons |
Will u tell me when its my turn |
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21:13:36 |
Webmama_Tina |
yup, angie will add you to the queue and
let you know. :) |
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21:13:55 |
sarahjbuckley |
I'm ready for questions |
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21:13:59 |
MOD_Angie |
upcoming chatter(s): teagreenribbons |
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21:14:07 |
Webmama_Tina |
ok NOW teagreen, LOL |
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21:14:12 |
teagreenribbons |
Thanx |
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21:14:13 |
Webmama_Tina |
thanks for your patience :) |
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21:14:14 |
christymomof2 |
Hello everyone |
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21:14:15 |
teagreenribbons |
Why does mainstream medicine not like
non mainstream, in all senses, so on? |
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21:14:28 |
Webmama_Tina |
hello christymomof2 |
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21:14:29 |
christymomof2 |
Liability |
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21:14:35 |
christymomof2 |
lol |
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21:14:36 |
Webmama_Tina |
glad you made it...we're taking turns... |
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21:14:42 |
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21:15:23 |
sarahjbuckley |
Hi teagreeribbons, nice to see you here,
I think that mainstream medicine,
especially OB?GYN doesn't understand
what the alternatives are about, partyly
becauise they can't see that there are
some major problems with their
perspective |
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21:15:46 |
teagreenribbons |
K, nice to see you as well |
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21:15:57 |
teagreenribbons |
Same here |
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21:16:00 |
christymomof2 |
They are so wrapped up in what they
learn in Med school, that the
alternatives" are seen as not as
effective/safe, etc" |
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21:16:25 |
sarahjbuckley |
You know, most OBs have never seen
anormal birth, don't even know what it
looks like, so have a hard time, I
think, believing taht it exists! |
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21:16:40 |
teagreenribbons |
Why can't they do both of them |
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21:16:46 |
christymomof2 |
example, homebirthing...of which I just
experienced 4 weeks ago! :) |
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21:17:10 |
sarahjbuckley |
I think that thuings are changing, Drs
are becoming more open minded generally,
but somehow its more fixed in OB |
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21:17:13 |
Webmama_Tina |
christymomof2 i just PMd ya :) |
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21:18:05 |
teagreenribbons |
K, why can't do both in the OB as well
because its really ashame on what they
do to women/women trust them/and so on |
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21:18:09 |
TurboClaudia |
? |
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21:18:12 |
sarahjbuckley |
Well, I think Drs can have a mindset
that is very trusting of teh technology,
it's hard to get out of that unless they
experience it themselves |
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21:18:30 |
teagreenribbons |
K |
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21:19:17 |
sarahjbuckley |
I think natural birth has become an
endangered specias, not often seen so
thye almost think it doesn't exist! |
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21:19:23 |
sarahjbuckley |
Next qstn please |
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21:19:31 |
MOD_Angie |
upcoming chatter(s): TurboClaudia |
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21:19:34 |
teagreenribbons |
Just hate what I see everytime that I
volunteer in the maternity department at
the local hospital by me and so on |
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21:19:37 |
TurboClaudia |
Have you read the recent British article
about skin-to-skin cesareans? If so,
what are your thoughts? |
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21:20:06 |
sarahjbuckley |
I haven't seen taht Claudia, although i
know woman here who delivered her own
baby by cesarean |
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21:20:30 |
christymomof2 |
oh my! |
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21:20:33 |
sarahjbuckley |
And sk2sk is absolutely the norm after
birth, it benefits mother and baby |
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21:21:03 |
sarahjbuckley |
the mother keeps the baby warm, the
contact helps her to release oxytocin
and prevent bleeding |
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21:21:36 |
sarahjbuckley |
bbaies sk2sk are actualy warmer tahn in
cribs... can you give me the ref to look
it up Claudia? |
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21:21:57 |
TurboClaudia |
i'm looking for the link... |
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21:21:58 |
teagreenribbons |
What u knew a woman who delieved her own
baby by cesarean |
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21:22:13 |
teagreenribbons |
Thats definetly so kool |
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21:22:31 |
sarahjbuckley |
They did this research where they let
babies stay sk2sk and found that the
babies were calmer for hours afterwards
(when thye were taken to the nursery,
unfortunately!) |
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21:23:33 |
Webmama_Tina |
anyone else with questions for sarah
just throw out a question mark at any
time and we'll let ya know when to go :) |
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21:23:46 |
sarahjbuckley |
The mother had an epidural and was able
to reach down and be the first to touch
her baby, abnd she pulled teh baby out.
It took alot of work to set up, but such
a great example for all of us |
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21:23:51 |
sarahjbuckley |
Next qstn |
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21:23:57 |
christymomof2 |
? |
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21:24:05 |
MOD_Angie |
upcoming chatter(s): christymomof2 |
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21:24:08 |
christymomof2 |
Do you answer breastfeeding questions? |
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21:24:17 |
MrsRoss |
? |
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21:24:34 |
christymomof2 |
and no, lol...that's not my actual
question |
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21:24:56 |
Webmama_Tina |
lol |
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21:24:57 |
sarahjbuckley |
Well, it's not really my area of
expertise, I'm not an LC but yes, I'll
answer if I can |
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21:25:29 |
christymomof2 |
oh okay, I'm having problems with my
newborn in 2 areas. 1: Gulping air while
nursing. 2. Spitting up a lot |
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21:25:47 |
mayas_mommy |
? |
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21:25:54 |
sarahjbuckley |
Is this your first baby? How was the
birth? |
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21:26:07 |
Kathy |
christy...how old is baby |
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21:26:14 |
christymomof2 |
Nope, third. And third b/f. Never had
this problem before. Birth was
great...homebirth |
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21:26:18 |
christymomof2 |
she's 4 weeks old |
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21:26:20 |
TurboClaudia |
? |
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21:26:43 |
christymomof2 |
I've tried diff. positions for the air
gulping, and she still does it |
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21:26:49 |
Kathy |
that's about the age when allergies show
up...' |
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21:27:06 |
christymomof2 |
and tried tweaking my diet for the
spitting up, and it helps a little when
I cut back on dairy, but not a whole lot |
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21:27:11 |
Kathy |
sorry if i'm slow ...one janded
typing... :bf |
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21:27:19 |
christymomof2 |
LOL! |
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21:27:20 |
sarahjbuckley |
Ok, well I had some problems with my 4th
baby because I had an 'oversupply
problem'- my milk was letting down too
quickly for my newborn, I found that
posture feding (having her uphill to my
braests) helped alot, she grew out of it
at 6 weeks |
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21:27:24 |
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21:27:47 |
christymomof2 |
Sarah...yes, I notice that my milk seems
to be too" much" |
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21:28:00 |
christymomof2 |
she hurries to nurse because it's coming
so fast |
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21:28:11 |
sarahjbuckley |
Yes, and it ceratinly worth looking at
your diet, especially dairy, soy, wheat, |
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21:28:21 |
christymomof2 |
and how do you posture feed? |
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21:29:09 |
sarahjbuckley |
Ok, I found that feeding her sitting
yup- her body was vertical as was I ,
was really helpful, some find that
expresing the first really fast milk
helps too, others have actually lay down
with the baby on top and fed them
against gravity |
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21:29:50 |
sarahjbuckley |
What you are doing is slowing the milk
flow by making it against gravity, ie
flow horizintally or up, not dwon, if
that makes sense |
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21:30:03 |
christymomof2 |
ohhhh, okay. Yes, that makes sense |
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21:30:18 |
christymomof2 |
She doesn't gulp air as my breast
empties...so that makes sense |
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21:30:41 |
christymomof2 |
Thank you! I will try that |
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21:30:48 |
sarahjbuckley |
The strange thing for me was that she
didn't have this problem with nigh
feeds, I think it may have been more
relaxed. |
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21:30:51 |
Kathy |
do you think the air is causing the spit
up? |
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21:30:57 |
sarahjbuckley |
also carrying upright may help |
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21:30:58 |
christymomof2 |
She does that too Sarah!!! |
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21:31:09 |
christymomof2 |
Kathy, yes I think it might
contribute...she doesn't spit up at
night |
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21:31:47 |
sarahjbuckley |
You could tyr to see if the Austarlian
Breastfeeding assoc booklets are ion
line, there is agreat one about coping
with oversupply, or just search taht tem
on teh web. |
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21:31:49 |
Kathy |
sounds like the fast letdown is probably
the issue then... |
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21:31:58 |
christymomof2 |
she gets hiccups a lot of times after
eating, and it all comes back up |
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21:32:00 |
Webmama_Tina |
ok who's up next angie? |
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21:32:02 |
sarahjbuckley |
Blessings to you and your baby! |
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21:32:07 |
sarahjbuckley |
next qstn |
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21:32:12 |
christymomof2 |
TY! |
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21:32:23 |
MOD_Angie |
seriously, I just got booted AGAIN! and
I lost my list :-( |
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21:32:36 |
sarahjbuckley |
I mean, search 'breastfeeding' and
'oversupply' on the web |
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21:32:38 |
mayas_mommy |
? |
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21:33:00 |
MrsRoss |
? |
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21:33:21 |
TurboClaudia |
Angie, the next chatters are Mrs ROss,
then Mayas Mommy , then TUrboClaudia |
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21:33:27 |
christymomof2 |
TY Sarah |
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21:33:34 |
MrsRoss |
I just read your article in Mothering
and found it incredibly helpful in
dealing with my birth experience. I had
an epi early in labour, wound up with
all the complications mentioned in your
article and an eventual c-section. |
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21:33:44 |
MOD_Angie |
upcoming chatter(s): MrsRoss
mayas_mommy TurboClaudia |
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21:33:49 |
MOD_Angie |
tyvm Turbo!! |
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21:33:55 |
Webmama_Tina |
thankyou claudia...angie's having
computer issues and i'm having child
issues, lol! |
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21:33:56 |
christymomof2 |
:( |
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21:34:02 |
TurboClaudia |
no worries, angie. :D |
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21:34:03 |
Webmama_Tina |
ah the life of a mom in our modern
world! |
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21:34:17 |
sarahjbuckley |
I love it that we are all doing women's
business here! |
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21:35:46 |
Webmama_Tina |
:) |
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21:36:07 |
MOD_Angie |
MrsRoss did u have a ? |
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21:36:10 |
Webmama_Tina |
did you have a question mrs ross? LOL |
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21:36:14 |
Webmama_Tina |
jinx! |
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21:36:15 |
MrsRoss |
is it my turn? |
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21:36:17 |
Webmama_Tina |
lol |
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21:36:18 |
MOD_Angie |
upcoming chatter(s): MrsRoss mayas_mommy
TurboClaudia |
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21:36:19 |
Webmama_Tina |
yup |
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21:36:22 |
MrsRoss |
I just read your article in Mothering
and found it incredibly helpful in
dealing with my birth experience. I had
an epi early in labour, wound up with
all the complications mentioned in your
article and an eventual c-section. |
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21:36:58 |
MrsRoss |
I wanted to thank you so much for the
article b/c it really helped me deal
with my experience. I do have a
question concerning pp fertility. |
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21:37:18 |
sarahjbuckley |
OK |
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21:37:43 |
MrsRoss |
I have yet to start menses after my
12/04 delivery and would like to ttc
#2. Is there anything that I can do to
help regain fertility? |
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21:38:03 |
sarahjbuckley |
Are you breastfeeding? |
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21:38:09 |
MrsRoss |
Yes. |
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21:39:15 |
sarahjbuckley |
Well, everyone is different re return of
fertility, some women can ntake 18
montsh or so when breastfeeding, but I
woudl encourage you to let your littel
one continue, it;s such a good
investment in their health and wellbeing
long-term |
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21:40:05 |
MrsRoss |
yes, I have no intention of weaning.
Thanks! |
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21:40:24 |
sarahjbuckley |
I have a couple of answers that I've
written for mothering experts about
enhancing fertility, abut again, please
also consider the neds of your little
one, teh WHo recommends at least 3 years
spacing for optimal health for all teh
family |
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21:41:42 |
sarahjbuckley |
Personally, I have also noticed that the
nursing child has some control over the
mother's fertility, if they feed more,
she is les fertile, and I think it's
good, to let them have asay in teh
decision about the next baby, it's such
a huge adjustment for teh oldest,
especuialy |
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21:42:49 |
sarahjbuckley |
Also, are you ready for another baby? It
may involve some emotional work for you,
next pregnancy, if your last birth was
difficult, it's good to have someone, a
midwife ideally, to help work through
this |
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21:43:34 |
sarahjbuckley |
I have to admit my bias here, I fould
the shorter spacings in my family of
orign, and with my one children, mush
harder tahn the longer spacings! |
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21:43:49 |
sarahjbuckley |
Sorry about the typos :) |
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21:44:09 |
MrsRoss |
yes, I wonder if we're ready yet or
not. I suppose not. It is helpful to
think of it terms of 'natural spacing'
rather than having complete control over
things. Thanks so much! |
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21:44:25 |
sarahjbuckley |
Blessings, gentle mother! Next qstn |
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21:45:01 |
MOD_Angie |
upcoming chatter(s): mayas_mommy
TurboClaudia |
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21:45:27 |
mayas_mommy |
Thanks... |
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21:46:02 |
mayas_mommy |
A friend of mine recently had her 2nd
baby... She tested Strep + and, upon
entering the hospital, was 4 cm. SHe was
told to get the epidural to help slow
down labor... |
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21:46:23 |
mayas_mommy |
in order for the anitbiotics to take
effect (4 hrs?). Do you think this is
advisable? |
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21:47:40 |
sarahjbuckley |
No, I don't agree with automatic
antibiotics for strep B, teh risks for a
healthy full-term baby are very low, and
need to be balanced against the risks of
exposing so many babies to antibiotics.
It seems crazy to slow labour! |
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21:48:14 |
christymomof2 |
TY Sarah...and goodbye everyone, I need
to go. Have a good night! |
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21:48:22 |
mayas_mommy |
Her doc told her that if she didn't get
the antibiotics, the results could be
devastating"." |
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21:48:47 |
mayas_mommy |
menangitis, etc. |
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21:48:57 |
beccafromlalaland |
Hello |
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21:49:10 |
Webmama_Tina |
hello beccafromlalaland ...glad you
made it! we're taking turns.... |
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21:49:14 |
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21:49:44 |
sarahjbuckley |
I have been strep B in obe pregnnacy and
didn't take anything, I really think it
is another intervention taht we don't
appreciate the risks of |
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21:50:39 |
sarahjbuckley |
yes, that is true, but the risks of
getting infected are less than 1 in 500 |
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21:52:12 |
sarahjbuckley |
It's all about informed choice for me,
rather than using emotive language to
persuade women. Antibiotics can
interfere with teh mothers gut flora,
which can affect the baby long-term |
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21:52:49 |
mayas_mommy |
I wasn't aware that there were major
drawbacks to getting antibiotics. Thanks
for the info! |
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21:53:03 |
sarahjbuckley |
And we really don't have the evidence
about the side-effects for mother and
baby and whether this is safe,
long-term |
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21:53:34 |
sarahjbuckley |
I think that giving the mother
antibiotics in labour is a major
intervention. |
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21:54:12 |
sarahjbuckley |
You might get more good info on
www.midwiferytoday.com |
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21:54:14 |
Webmama_Tina |
6min left in our chat. :) |
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21:54:15 |
sarahjbuckley |
Blessings! |
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21:54:21 |
sarahjbuckley |
Next question |
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21:54:24 |
Webmama_Tina |
how many more people in line angie? |
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21:54:40 |
MOD_Angie |
upcoming chatter(s): TurboClaudia |
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21:54:49 |
TurboClaudia |
just wanted to share the news article
about skin-to-skin cesarean:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/family/story/0,,1656246,00.html
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21:55:13 |
TurboClaudia |
it's a news article, so not much
research or analysis, but interesting
nonetheless. |
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21:55:27 |
sarahjbuckley |
Thanks Claudia! |
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21:55:41 |
TurboClaudia |
yvw! |
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21:55:50 |
Webmama_Tina |
so no more questions? |
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21:56:06 |
Webmama_Tina |
last chance.... |
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21:56:20 |
Webmama_Tina |
okey dokey then, this was great! |
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21:56:26 |
Webmama_Tina |
thankyou so much sarah! |
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21:56:29 |
Webmama_Tina |
another great chat! |
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21:56:31 |
TurboClaudia |
thanks, sarah! |
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21:56:35 |
TurboClaudia |
and thank you tina! |
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21:56:49 |
Webmama_Tina |
transcripts will be up by sunday if all
goes well...i'm staying at least on top
of the mothering transcripts...lol |
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21:56:51 |
sarahjbuckley |
It's a pleasure, like having children-
more relaxed and fun the more I do it! |
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21:56:52 |
Webmama_Tina |
behind on all the rest |
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21:56:57 |
Webmama_Tina |
:) |
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21:57:20 |
Webmama_Tina |
everyone have a look at the new
mommychats directory before you go....
www.mommychats.com/directory |
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21:57:30 |
Webmama_Tina |
there's some great places to shop! |
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21:57:33 |
sarahjbuckley |
Thanks Tina and everyone, you can read
more of my articles at
www.sarahjbuckley.com and look
for an interview coming next week with
me on-line bout my book! |
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21:57:34 |
Webmama_Tina |
good time of the year for it! :) |
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21:57:57 |
Webmama_Tina |
ok mamas, thanks for joining us! |
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21:58:00 |
Webmama_Tina |
and thanks again sarah! |
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21:58:07 |
kristen |
ack can I get a question in real quick! |
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21:58:12 |
kristen |
had to tend to the baby |
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21:58:15 |
Webmama_Tina |
woops |
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21:58:18 |
sarahjbuckley |
Thanks Tina |
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21:58:25 |
Webmama_Tina |
i need to git |
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21:58:28 |
Webmama_Tina |
sarah? |
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21:58:35 |
sarahjbuckley |
I'm Ok with a question, Tina |
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21:58:37 |
kristen |
:blush: |
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21:58:54 |
Webmama_Tina |
ok go for it...i'll go get my kiddos
ready to go while you ask/answer |
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21:58:59 |
Webmama_Tina |
then i need to close the room up |
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21:59:00 |
Webmama_Tina |
:) |
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21:59:09 |
sarahjbuckley |
Or we can do aprivate message if you
need to go, tina... |
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21:59:12 |
Webmama_Tina |
i'm heading out to a bday dinner...brb |
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21:59:22 |
kristen |
ok, have there been studies that show
that skin-to-skin time is reduced when
mothers have an epidural or other drugs
during labor? |
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21:59:24 |
Webmama_Tina |
no worries, it will take me a bit to get
dd to get changed anyway |
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21:59:25 |
Webmama_Tina |
lol |
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21:59:32 |
kristen |
perhaps because baby is more at risk of
being taken away right away? |
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22:00:29 |
sarahjbuckley |
Thanks Kirsten, no direct reseach as far
as I know, but an epidural makes
forceps, vacuum, cesareans more liklely,
the mother more likely to need stitches
etc, so sk to sk is less likely |
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22:00:56 |
sarahjbuckley |
Yes, the baby alos has risks of fever,
fetal distress, and being taken awau
after a cesarean |
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22:01:24 |
kristen |
and I've been told that epi drugs don't
pass to the baby, but they acutually do,
right? |
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22:01:39 |
sarahjbuckley |
I think we are startying to understand
how crucial continued attachmnet btw
mother and baby is...there as a graet
summary recently |
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22:02:20 |
sarahjbuckley |
i'll see if i can find the article |
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22:02:34 |
kristen |
I'd like to read that |
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22:03:21 |
sarahjbuckley |
Ok, it;s Jan Winberg, Swedish
researcher, published Nov 2005, he just
died, search pubmed or email me |
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22:03:48 |
sarahjbuckley |
Just looking on pubmed for you... |
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22:04:22 |
sarahjbuckley |
Can't get on there for some reason... |
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22:04:45 |
sarahjbuckley |
look up
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi
and put winberg j and it will come up |
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22:04:57 |
kristen |
I'll do that :) |
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22:05:13 |
sarahjbuckley |
yes, epi drugs go into teh mother;s
bloodstream to teh baby, withion a few
minutes |
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22:05:38 |
sarahjbuckley |
My article has more about how they can
affect the baby in teh womb and after
birth... |
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22:06:18 |
kristen |
thanks sarah! I'm going to go back over
your article |
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22:06:40 |
sarahjbuckley |
Ok Kirsten, I think we better let Tina
go.. |
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22:07:01 |
MrsRoss |
thank you for being here tonight! |
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22:07:09 |
kristen |
yes thank you again! |
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22:07:11 |
TurboClaudia |
thanks for chatting, sarah! and thanks,
tina! |
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22:07:23 |
kristen |
thanks for holding it open a few extra
minutes tina |
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22:07:28 |
sarahjbuckley |
it's a pleasure, thank you too, gentle
mamas! |
