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12:40:52 |
Webmama_Tina |
ok today we are so happy to have
stephanie tombrello with us as our
expert....here's some info on stephanie.... |
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12:41:52 |
Webmama_Tina |
Stephanie M. Tombrello, L.C.S.W., has
been active in the field of child
passenger safety since 1970. She
originated the Child Safety Project of
Women for Political and Social Action in
1972 in Pasadena, CA. She has
participated in development of both the
technical and program aspects of the
field and has been instrumental in major
changes in government regulations,
including HR 4616, to expand funding for
child passenger safety nationwide. She
successfully petitioned for regulation
changes mandating shoulder/lap belts in
outboard rear-seating positions in all
cars and light trucks sold in the US
since December 1989. She served on the
National Blue Ribbon Panel on Child
Restraint & Vehicle Compatibility, and
is a nationally certified Child
Passenger Safety Technician-Instructor.
Recently, she provided support for newly
enacted federal legislation to improve
testing of safety seats and resources
for parents. Ms. Tombrello is recognized
as an outstanding expert in the realm of
child/ car safety, and has received
numerous awards for her activism over
the years. She has also participated in
establishing and developing three
currently functioning non-profit
organizations: Wellmet Project, Inc., a
Massachusetts halfway house for formerly
hospitalized psychiatric patients,
founded in 1960; The Children's Center
at Caltech, a child care center founded
in 1972; and SafetyBeltSafe U.S.A.,
founded in 1980. Please join Stephanie
for a general chat on car seat safety. |
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12:42:52 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
Shall I lead with a few principles? |
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12:43:52 |
Webmama_Tina |
anything you want to add to that intro
stephanie? |
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12:44:52 |
Webmama_Tina |
sure that would be great, thanks
stephanie! |
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12:45:52 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
The intro is fine, of course. For
detail, go to www.carseat.org BUT here
goes with the most key messages. |
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12:46:52 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
When pregnant, wear your belt properly.
If you are in a crash, check on having
24-hour fetal monitoring because it is
hard to recognize placental abruption. 5
x as many fetuses are lost from car
crashes than |
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12:47:52 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
kids in the first year of life. |
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12:48:52 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
2: Rear facing is the best way to ride.
One's protection is demoted as one grows
older and larger. Take your time with
your child. |
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12:49:52 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
Today, all convertibles are certified to
at least 30 lbs. rear facing. |
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12:50:52 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
Plan to keep your child rear facing for
at least 18-24 months. Rear facing is
the best way to survive both frontal and
side impacts, the most common and the
most fatal types. |
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12:51:52 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
#3 Plan on using a seat with a full
5-point harness for as long as possible.
Use the top tether strap to give best
protection for your child by keeping the
child's head farther back. |
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12:52:52 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
Today, there are many more options for
products that are certified above 40
lbs. with a full harness. Consider them.
Check out flyers at carseat.org on the
details. Under Helpful Handouts, #627 &
#650. |
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12:53:52 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
Next, once your child is in a booster,
keep the youngster there until he/she
can pass the 5-Step Test, flyer #630 and
also there is a video on the site. |
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12:54:52 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
The back seat is the better seat: the
latest research shows it is the place
for kids until they are 15 and beginning
to learn to drive. Now enough of my
principles and on with your concerns.
And obviously, use the restraint you
choose every time--correctly |
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12:55:52 |
SandraMort |
I live in NYC and don't currently have
a car. I have a 70 lb 8 year old, a 45
lb 5 year old and a 20something lb 21
month old. What, if any, portable
options are available for taxi use?
I've heard mixed reviews ont he vests
and can't guarantee working |
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12:56:56 |
SandraMort |
shoulder harnesses in taxis. |
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12:59:25 |
SandraMort |
When I buy a new car, I want THREE five
point harnesses for it, but right now,
my hatchback only has room for a little
booster for the 8 year old |
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13:00:13 |
Webmama_Tina |
hi mamas! we're going to get started
here in just a minute |
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13:00:17 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
Good question. And of course, not an
easy one to manage if you use cabs a
lot. I would suggest first, check out
the 5-Step Test for your oldest. If he
passes, at least in many cabs, that
youngster can use the shoulder-lap belt.
Otherwise, 2 light weight |
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13:01:20 |
SandraMort |
I don't think she's tall enough in the
legs for it. |
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13:01:25 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
backless boosters or 2 Ride Safer Vests
for those vehicles that have shoulder
belts are a start. With the Ride Ryte,
one can get a tethered harness. It will
work in vehicles made from '99 on. The
Vests don't |
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13:01:26 |
SandraMort |
And no, we don't use taxis at *all* |
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13:01:44 |
SandraMort |
Backless boosters don't work for the 5
yo, he squirms too much |
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13:01:55 |
SandraMort |
Plus they're too big to carry. |
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13:02:44 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
need tethers UNLESS there are no
shoulder belts--that gives some
flexibility as one can use them with the
tethers when there is no shoulder belt.
It is mandatory to have shoulder-lap
belts in all outboard positions in back
since 12/89-'91, depending on whe |
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13:03:04 |
SandraMort |
Lots of older cabs, though :( |
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13:03:40 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
ther passenger vehicles or vans. For the
youngest, rear facing is recommended
until the child cannot no longer use the
convertible seat rear facing. That means
for all on the market today, 30-35 lbs.
One to consider is the Sit n Stroll. |
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13:04:02 |
SandraMort |
*nod* He'll fit in that for a good long
time. |
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13:04:08 |
SandraMort |
What about height, though? |
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13:04:10 |
SandraMort |
He's almost two |
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13:04:31 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
Back to the wiggler. Consider the vest;
also in most vehicles w/shoulder-lap
belts, the belt can be locked on the
child by pulling out the shoulder belt
from the top completely and then letting
it ratchet back. |
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13:04:52 |
SandraMort |
Is it difficult to attach quickly? Cabs
don't like to sit and wait |
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13:05:18 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
Height: for rear facing the issue is
head level: you need at least an inch of
space to the top of the plastic shell.
The heights listed on seats are standing
heights and not very useful for making
these decisions. |
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13:05:57 |
SandraMort |
Sorry, I meant torso height, I know... I
just meant is it likely to fit a toddler
tthat old |
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13:06:00 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
Every piece of equipment takes time to
find friendly. But I think you can
insist the cabbie wait as it is the
law. |
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13:06:20 |
SandraMort |
I haven't used one before, I don't know
how t hey're sized |
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13:06:36 |
SandraMort |
Heh. Law shmaw, this is NYC. |
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13:06:49 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
The way to tell is to measure your
child's torso and then the back of the
safety seat--if you can't just put the
youngster in it for a test. |
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13:07:00 |
SandraMort |
Well, sure, but I have to BUY it to do
that :) |
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13:07:27 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
I know NYC--I lived nearby for my
formative years! Yes, it is a challenge
but of course, New Yorkers are able to
be effective. |
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13:07:45 |
SandraMort |
Most people I know don't bother with
carseats in taxis |
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13:08:31 |
SandraMort |
I don't have a Sit and stroll to
measure, that's why I was asking. |
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13:08:45 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
Actually, for some items that are sold
on the Web only--sure. But you can ask
for measurements. Otherwise, I wouldn't
deal with any retailer that won't let
the seat be fitted to the vehicle/child.
Each retailer needs a way to manage
that--return policy or |
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13:08:55 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
guidance in store. |
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13:09:06 |
SandraMort |
Yes, I was going to get it online, no
car to go pick the thin up :) |
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13:09:37 |
Jwebbal |
I have the height measurement for sit
and stroll |
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13:10:12 |
Jwebbal |
top slot height is 14 inches |
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13:10:35 |
SandraMort |
Jweb - that's from the bottom of his
seated butt to the top of the seat? |
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13:10:38 |
Jwebbal |
back height is 22.5 |
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13:10:45 |
Jwebbal |
yes |
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13:10:46 |
SandraMort |
Ahhh, ok. |
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13:10:48 |
SandraMort |
Excellent. |
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13:10:53 |
SandraMort |
Thank you. And weiht max is? |
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13:10:56 |
SandraMort |
WEIGHT |
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13:11:01 |
Jwebbal |
sorry stephanie |
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13:11:07 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
For rear facing the issue is the height
of the plastic shell. |
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13:18:11 |
Webmama_Tina |
ok sandra did we get your question
completely answered already? |
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13:18:28 |
Webmama_Tina |
and mamas, throw out your question mark
if you want to be in line to ask a
question please |
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13:18:46 |
SandraMort |
Mmm... I think so... I'lll have to go
back and check the transcripts later
after we've slept. I have another
question after other people have a
turn. Don't wanna be a hog. Feel free
to stick me in when there's time :) |
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13:18:52 |
Webmama_Tina |
i have a question a friend of mine asked
me to ask...so we can start with that |
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13:19:11 |
Webmama_Tina |
i think you kind of answered it already
stephanie, but want to clarify...for
rear facing... |
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13:19:28 |
elijahsethsmom |
? |
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13:19:42 |
Webmama_Tina |
she keeps her children rear facing as
long as possible, as you suggested...and
wanted to know if it is true that you
HAVE to turn them forward facing once
the top of their heads are one inch
below the top of the car seat? |
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13:19:56 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
Yes. |
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13:20:01 |
Webmama_Tina |
she has a 4 yr old forward facing and a
1yr old rear facing |
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13:20:20 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
The reason is that when a seat is rear
facing, it is permitted to rotate up to
70 degrees. The harness is |
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13:20:50 |
Webmama_Tina |
current chatter: Webmama_Tina
...upcoming chatters: elijahsethsmom |
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13:20:57 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
placed at or BELOW shoulder level to
help keep the child low in the safety
seat. However, if the child's head is
closer than an inch to the top, it will
lead the crash--exactly what one doesn't
want. |
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13:21:19 |
Webmama_Tina |
good to know |
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13:21:39 |
Webmama_Tina |
i have some questions myself...but i
will get in line behind
elijahsethsmom... you're up mama! |
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13:21:49 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
Also when a child has head control
and/or can sit, the safety seat can be
made more upright to accommodate the
youngster's comfort and also to start
from a higher vantage point when in a
crash, the seat will rotate forward and
down. |
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13:22:00 |
Webmama_Tina |
current chatter: elijahsethsmom
...upcoming chatters: Webmama_Tina :) |
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13:22:02 |
elijahsethsmom |
My ds is almost 7 yrs, 52 lbs, i have
him in a booster w/o a back, should i
get one with the backing? |
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13:22:12 |
Webmama_Tina |
thank you stephanie...that's very good
to know |
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13:22:41 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
The jury isn't in yet. Initially, we
considered backless better because the
child was farther back, flush w/the
vehicle seat. |
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13:23:06 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
Next, we got some results that indicated
that boosters w/backs were linked with
better outcomes. |
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13:23:27 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
However, the researcher, who has her
kids in backless boosters, says she
thinks the result might have been an
artifact |
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13:23:36 |
elijahsethsmom |
ok |
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13:23:37 |
SandraMort |
Isn't the child's ability to sit still
also part of the equation? We left my
son in a hacked booster because it
helped him sit still better. |
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13:23:49 |
SandraMort |
Without the sides, he was leaning over
into my daighter's lap |
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13:23:57 |
SandraMort |
WHich is certainly not safe. |
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13:24:13 |
SandraMort |
BACKED, not hacked. *blush& |
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13:24:23 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
of the small number of backless boosters
in the sample and also the proper
positioning of the belt. If the belt
isn't locked on the child, especially
one of the younger users, it is more
likely that the belt won't be in the
proper location. |
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13:24:46 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
Yes, the description of the lolling
child fits with not having the belt
locked. |
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13:25:36 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
There is more trouble with Chrysler
products that don't have belts that lock
to the top of the shoulder belt; but
even with them, the lap belt locks. Now
remember, I'm talking about cars since
model year '96. |
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13:26:23 |
Webmama_Tina |
ack i'm sorry...i forgot to turn off the
ins and outs |
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13:26:34 |
rugbymom |
hey tina |
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13:26:36 |
SandraMort |
Sorry! |
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13:26:59 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
Have I missed something while typing? |
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13:27:00 |
Webmama_Tina |
ok its off now...anyone that would
prefer to not have the ins and outs
distracting them, hit refresh and then
log back in :) |
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13:27:12 |
Webmama_Tina |
nope you're doing great stephanie! |
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13:27:24 |
Jwebbal |
? |
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13:27:25 |
rugbymom |
hey tina, guess what |
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13:27:29 |
Webmama_Tina |
does that answer your question
elijahsethsmom? |
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13:27:41 |
elijahsethsmom |
yes |
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13:27:41 |
Webmama_Tina |
yes rugby? we're having our mothering
chat right now |
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13:27:42 |
elijahsethsmom |
thanks |
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13:27:51 |
rugbymom |
i know, and im pg |
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13:28:22 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
I assume everyone knows one belt, one
person! |
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13:28:22 |
Webmama_Tina |
oh CONGRATS RUGBY! :) how exciting!! |
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13:28:39 |
Kamibug_and_Kiddos |
i have a question |
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13:29:01 |
Webmama_Tina |
ok kami, i'll add you to the queue |
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13:29:07 |
Kamibug_and_Kiddos |
ty |
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13:29:14 |
Webmama_Tina |
ok my question....i have so many but
lets see...i have a carseat that i
cannot get level |
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13:29:39 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
Any more details? |
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13:29:40 |
Webmama_Tina |
because of the seat belt, the shoulder
strap, it is tipped to the right |
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13:29:56 |
Webmama_Tina |
sorry, by 1yr old is really driving me
nuts right now.... |
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13:30:07 |
Webmama_Tina |
ok its forward facing.... |
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13:30:13 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
Ah, that is the problem with the
switchable retractor, lockable belts,
especially rear facing. |
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13:30:16 |
Webmama_Tina |
my son is about 34lbs, 19months.. |
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13:30:52 |
Webmama_Tina |
and try as we might, we can't get it to
go flat...it is always tipped to the
right, toward where the belt
buckles...because of the shoulder strap
spreading out on the left side |
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13:30:58 |
Webmama_Tina |
its not a huge tilt, but it concerns us |
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13:31:02 |
Webmama_Tina |
we don't know how to fix it |
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13:31:20 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
Sometimes the belt has to go through a
tunnel, taking the shoulder belt with
the lap portion. When that happens and
one has a belt that locks at the top of
the shoulder belt, the shdr belt becomes
taut. The alternative is to use the
locking clip that came |
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13:31:22 |
Webmama_Tina |
switchable retractor? |
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13:31:49 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
with your safety seat to \trap\" the
latchplate so the lap section of the
belt is tight but the shoulder belt
section is normal." |
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13:31:50 |
Webmama_Tina |
it does lock...its a honda odyssey and i
do pull it all the way out to make sure
it locks tight |
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13:31:51 |
rugbymom |
tina, could you add me to the queue as
well, i had a question |
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13:31:52 |
Webmama_Tina |
its very tight |
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13:32:36 |
Webmama_Tina |
current chatter:Webmama_Tina
...upcoming chatters: Jwebbal,
Kamibug_and_Kiddos, rugbymom |
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13:32:47 |
rugbymom |
ty |
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13:32:48 |
Webmama_Tina |
ugh i hate the locking clip |
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13:32:53 |
Webmama_Tina |
that is sooooo hard to get in right |
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13:33:12 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
Yes, but in most vehicles, since the
WHOLE belt becomes taut, it tips the
seat when rear facing. So instead, don't
lock the belt. Trap the latchplate.
Switchable retractor means that unless
one pulls the shoulder belt ENTIRELY
out, the belt locks only when |
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13:33:21 |
SandraMort |
? |
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13:33:22 |
Webmama_Tina |
he's forward facing |
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13:33:32 |
elijahsethsmom |
? |
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13:33:43 |
Webmama_Tina |
what's the latchplate? |
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13:33:47 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
the vehicle stops/crashes, moves hard in
one direction or another. Well, for
forward facing, this is much more
unusual. |
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13:34:04 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
The latchplate is the \male\" part of
the buckle system." |
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13:34:08 |
Webmama_Tina |
ah |
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13:34:32 |
Webmama_Tina |
oh ok yes that's what it does, i pull it
all the way out to make it locked...is
that right? |
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13:34:48 |
Webmama_Tina |
otherwise it would be totally floppy |
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13:35:36 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
I am wondering if you should loosen the
belt just a bit so that it isn't lifting
the seat on one side. Yes, the belt is
\unlocked\" unless you pull it all the
way out OR the vehicle registers a
change of velocity significant enough to
lock it." |
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13:35:47 |
Webmama_Tina |
gotcha |
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13:36:17 |
Webmama_Tina |
so you think loosening it? we shouldn't
put something under it, right? my
husband wanted to put a towel under one
end but i told him i thought i had read
that was unsafe? |
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13:36:18 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
Also be sure you are using the top
tether which will stabilize your safety
seat as well. |
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13:36:26 |
Webmama_Tina |
yes that helps |
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13:36:27 |
Webmama_Tina |
we do |
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13:36:58 |
Webmama_Tina |
its super tight, its just tilted to the
right a bit...over time it seems to tilt
more...as it loosens a bit i guess...so
i have to tighten again |
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13:37:09 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
One should not put anything under the
seat forward facing--except a thin piece
of rubbermaid liner or thin sheet or the
like to protect the cushion. |
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13:37:21 |
Webmama_Tina |
gotcha, that's what i thought |
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13:37:27 |
Webmama_Tina |
good to know i thought right, lol |
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13:37:48 |
Webmama_Tina |
ok well i'll try loosening it a wee bit
and see what happens....thanks
stephanie! |
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13:37:58 |
Webmama_Tina |
jwebbal you're up! |
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13:38:02 |
Jwebbal |
Hi, my friends sometimes takes my son,
and I have put my car seat in their
cars, but I am worried about making sure
the seat is in right, one has no tether
place, the other car a new Mazda |
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13:38:13 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
The belt should not loosen if it is
locked with the retractor. In fact, it
will continue to take up more slack. One
may have up to an inch of movement to
the sides or front of the car and still
have a good outcome. So put it in
tightly but don't try to bre |
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13:38:14 |
Jwebbal |
the belt doesn't seem to lock, well it
does, but then it unlocks? |
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13:38:23 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
ak the plastic! |
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13:38:36 |
Webmama_Tina |
current chatter: Jwebbal ...upcoming
chatters: Kamibug_and_Kiddos, rugbymom,
SandraMort, elijahsethsmom |
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13:38:48 |
Jwebbal |
so, is it a problem to install his seat
with no tether? |
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13:39:03 |
Jwebbal |
and what do I do about a seat belt that
locks, but then seems to unlock? |
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13:39:08 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
Are you asking me or Tina? |
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13:39:13 |
Jwebbal |
you |
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13:39:31 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
The issue of a belt that locks and
unlocks--tell me more. What sort of belt
is it? |
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13:39:53 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
Is it a lap belt only? |
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13:39:55 |
Jwebbal |
its a regular seat belt, in the back
seat, the place where it comes out is in
the ceiling |
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13:40:01 |
Jwebbal |
no, this is a brand new car |
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13:40:06 |
Jwebbal |
lap belt and shoulder |
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13:40:17 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
Or is it in a Chrysler product? |
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13:40:20 |
Jwebbal |
I pulled it out, it locked, but then
seemed to unlock |
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13:40:23 |
Jwebbal |
Mazda |
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13:40:35 |
Jwebbal |
so I just used the latch, but I can't
use that forever |
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13:40:57 |
Jwebbal |
if I pulled on it, all the way out, it
locked, and if I pulled again, it
unlocked |
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13:41:31 |
Jwebbal |
it had me worried |
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13:41:43 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
Generally, the Mazda has a system in
which one switches the retractor--be
sure you pulled it out and buckled it.
The system is switchable. If you pull it
out and buckle the belt, the system will
not unlock until you unbuckle the belt. |
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13:42:05 |
Jwebbal |
oh, okay, that makes sense |
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13:42:32 |
Jwebbal |
what about a car with no tether? |
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13:42:40 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
Also be sure that the lower anchors are
meant for the location. Check for
tightness after the belt is locked by
placing your hands near the belt path
and then try to move the seat to the
sides or front of the car. |
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13:43:02 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
Most cars can have tether anchors added.
If you send me the info about your car,
I will send you a part #. |
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13:43:19 |
Jwebbal |
yeah, those lower anchors are tricky, my
parents car has overlapping anchors |
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13:43:28 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
AT www.carseat.org, one can insert
information for a Checkup Online. We
answer personally. |
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13:44:10 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
Does the car have 5 bars instead of 4 or
6? |
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13:44:18 |
Jwebbal |
yes |
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13:44:31 |
Webmama_Tina |
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13:44:36 |
Minniemouse |
? |
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13:44:37 |
Jwebbal |
I looked it up in the book and figured
it out, and had to tell my dad to be
sure to use the right ones for the
center |
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13:44:40 |
Webmama_Tina |
don't mind me as i post for newcomers :) |
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13:44:45 |
Jwebbal |
as it can be confusing |
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13:44:51 |
Webmama_Tina |
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13:45:01 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
The concern is not to put 2 LATCH
attachments on a single bar. |
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13:45:27 |
Jwebbal |
thank you stephanie, appreciate you
being here |
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13:45:45 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
It is my great pleasure. |
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13:46:02 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
I speak with parents nearly daily to
keep alert to the issues that are
surfacing. |
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13:46:14 |
Webmama_Tina |
kami, you're up |
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13:47:03 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
By the way, don't be shy about getting
involved as a volunteer in this field. |
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13:47:08 |
Webmama_Tina |
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13:47:22 |
Jwebbal |
yeah, I have been seriously considering
taking the class |
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13:47:26 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
We enjoy training enthusiastic parents
to participate in educating the
community. |
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13:47:38 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
I am not surprised! |
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13:47:38 |
Webmama_Tina |
kami? you there? |
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13:48:05 |
Jwebbal |
it's just the four day thing, managing
my kid while I am at class |
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13:48:25 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
For instance, if every child in the U.S.
were taught the 5-Step Test, we could
reduce injuries of booster kids by 59%
over the use of belts only. |
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13:48:36 |
Webmama_Tina |
ok i think kami must be away ....lets
move on to rugby |
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13:48:40 |
rugbymom |
When my son was little, we had the type
of carseat that had the base that stayed
in the car, and the seat itself could be
pulled out. I was planning on getting
another for our new baby, has there ever
been a problem with the seats coming off
the bases? |
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13:49:08 |
Webmama_Tina |
current chatter:rugbymom ...upcoming
chatters: Kamibug_and_Kiddos,
SandraMort, elijahsethsmom, Minniemouse,
Webmama_Tina |
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13:49:11 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
For more detail, please look at flyer
#650 at carseat.org |
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13:49:31 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
But in short, the tests that were done
for Consumers Union were flawed, as far
as we can tell. |
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13:50:14 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
They are re-running them. However, the
tests were replicated at the level that
CU SAID they were using, and the results
were just fine. |
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13:50:36 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
It appears that the tests were run at
the equivalent of 70 mph which means the
car would be destroyed. |
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13:50:58 |
Webmama_Tina |
oh this is that recent one that came out
and then they pulled? |
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13:51:09 |
Webmama_Tina |
consumer reports, i think? |
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13:51:41 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
I think the key positive about the base
is that one can get a good fit and then
if one is careful about seating the
shell properly each time, not have to
re-install the seat each time. |
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13:51:49 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
Yes, Consumers Union. |
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13:52:04 |
Webmama_Tina |
ah ok |
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13:52:11 |
OnTheBrink |
hello |
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13:52:23 |
Webmama_Tina |
hi onthebrink! glad you made it! |
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13:52:26 |
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13:52:31 |
rugbymom |
Well, that was one of the reasons we
loved it, and it was very convienent,
but I always worried if the base was
flawed, that the carseat would just go
flying. |
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13:52:33 |
Webmama_Tina |
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13:52:34 |
OnTheBrink |
did i miss it? |
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13:52:40 |
OnTheBrink |
just saw the post at amity's |
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13:52:46 |
Webmama_Tina |
nope, we're finishing up still |
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13:53:01 |
rugbymom |
is there a brand that you reccomend or
suggest we dont buy, as far as that type
of carseat? |
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13:53:20 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
Okay. If you are not confident, choose a
seat that can be used either way--with
or without the base. |
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13:54:02 |
rugbymom |
they make those? we were living in
Germany when we bought it. there wasnt
a whole lot of choices |
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13:54:04 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
It is exceptionally important to check
that the base is actually attached.
Sometimes helpful fingers unbuckle belts
or mis-attach lower anchors when you
aren't looking. |
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13:54:12 |
terrapintots |
? |
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13:54:29 |
rugbymom |
exactly. now we are going to have a
four year old, and a newborn. |
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13:54:34 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
Did you purchase an American seat in
Germany? |
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13:54:48 |
rugbymom |
Yes, we lived on a military base. They
only had four or five brands though. |
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13:55:23 |
rugbymom |
Thats why I was wondering which brand
has the best reputation. As far as, not
easy for a young child to unattach, and
could be used with or without the base |
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13:55:52 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
It is critical to read the instructions
for your seats. Whether or not it can be
used w/o the base will be dscribed. Also
learn the name of your seats and the
dates of manufacture so you know the age
of the seat and will recognize \news\"
about your seat." |
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13:56:13 |
rugbymom |
easy enough, thank you |
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13:56:52 |
Webmama_Tina |
we're running out of time...stephanie,
do you need to go at the hour or can you
stay to answer the questions in the
queue still? |
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13:56:59 |
Webmama_Tina |
up to you and your availability |
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13:57:00 |
Webmama_Tina |
:) |
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13:57:12 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
The best seat is the one that fits the
child, fits the car, and that is easy
for YOU to use. If the 2 kids can sit
next to one another--sometimes 4 year
olds are over-enthusiastic, the seats
may overlap enough that the belt won't
be accessible. |
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13:57:25 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
I will answer each question. |
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13:57:42 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
By the way, we suggest placing the safer
child in the less safe location. |
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13:57:45 |
Webmama_Tina |
ok great...sandra was next and she had
to go so she left me her question.... |
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13:57:53 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
Can you guess who should be in the
center? |
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13:57:56 |
Webmama_Tina |
what's a safer child? |
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13:58:12 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
The child who is riding in the most safe
configuration. |
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13:58:27 |
Webmama_Tina |
sandra's question: All of the studies
I've heard of indicate that rearfacing
as long as possible is safer, yet the
higher weight rearfacing seats in Europe
aren't available here. Is this likely
to change and when, and why aren't they
available now? |
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13:58:51 |
Webmama_Tina |
so is that a rear facing child? |
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13:58:59 |
Webmama_Tina |
the safer child=rear facing? |
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13:59:36 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
It's a combination of the pressure from
those of us active in this field AND
most important, you the consumers. Yes,
the rear facing child is best protected,
then the forward facing child w/tether
attached, then booster child, then
belted child. |
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14:00:02 |
rugbymom |
Ive always put the oldest of my children
in the center, the baby behind the
driver so that the passenger can reach
the baby, the booster child behind the
passenger |
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14:00:14 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
So, we have worked hard to get 5-point
harness seats for all; we have been
pushing for higher weights rear facing,
and for higher weights certified for
forward facing. |
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14:01:08 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
But YOU have to buy them!! For instance,
Fisher Price made an excellent seat, the
Futura, but couldn't sell enough and
left the field entirely. Also they made
color-coded seats for ease of
use--ditto. |
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14:01:32 |
Minniemouse |
I had a Stay in View and a Safe
Embrace... great seats |
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14:01:36 |
Webmama_Tina |
oh that's weird...fisher price is very
popular...wonder why they didn't sell |
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14:01:58 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
You know I think they tried to sell
their seats in the wrong retailers. |
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14:02:13 |
Kamibug_and_Kiddos |
ok sorry back phone repeatedly |
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14:02:15 |
rugbymom |
you never think of fisher price as a
carseat maker, they are \toy makers\"" |
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14:02:24 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
The Safe Embrace is a very excellent
product. The Stay in View had some
excellent, innovative features. |
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14:02:36 |
elijahsethsmom |
? |
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14:02:37 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
Now they are delegating the production
to Britax. |
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14:02:56 |
OnTheBrink |
meaning britax makes FP seats? |
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14:02:59 |
Webmama_Tina |
ok kami's turn |
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14:03:00 |
Minniemouse |
but without that wonderful carry strap
on the infant seat... unfortunately |
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14:03:21 |
Webmama_Tina |
current chatter:Kamibug_and_Kiddos
...upcoming chatters: elijahsethsmom,
Minniemouse, Webmama_Tina |
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14:03:23 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
Be sure whichever seat you choose, you
can adjust the harness easily when it is
in the car securely. |
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14:03:58 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
Yes, Britax makes the seats now marketed
as Fisher Price. |
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14:04:18 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
Actually, Mattel owns the brand. |
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14:04:19 |
Kamibug_and_Kiddos |
My daughter has been in her booster for
the past 5 years, she's 5 1/2 it's a
full size booster, was a 5pt harness
that converted. We've not been in an
accident and the seat itself hasn't been
recalled. |
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14:04:40 |
Kamibug_and_Kiddos |
But i'm wondering if we should
upgrade/replace the seat since it's so
old? |
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14:05:08 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
This is a somewhat contentious issue.
First, everyone agrees that at 10 years,
seats should be retired. |
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14:05:44 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
However, during the horrible period when
kids were dying in the front due to air
bag interactions, the concern developed
that many changes can occur in 10
years. |
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14:06:39 |
SandraMort |
Back. |
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14:06:45 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
The Juvenile Products Manufacturers Assn
decided on 6 years. However, at about
the same time, Dorel produced the Alpha
Omega, a seat certified for use from 5
lbs. to 100 lbs. Since the median 8 year
old weighs 56 lbs., one can see that
this contradicts tha |
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14:06:53 |
Kamibug_and_Kiddos |
she's 47 1/2 inches and roughly 50lbs |
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14:06:59 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
t idea. And JPMA gave an award to them
for the AO. |
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14:07:59 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
I would say, Try the 5-Step Test. You'll
probably realize she needs a booster for
quite a few more years. You may want to
consider a different design--a removable
back style so you can send along the
base if she has a play date or if you
are traveling. |
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14:08:49 |
Kamibug_and_Kiddos |
thanks, i'm just wanting to make sure
she's safe....i about hyperventilated
when they said no more 5pt harness! |
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14:08:58 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
We recommend that on plane trips, the
base is taken aboard by the kid in a
carryon so it isn't lost or damaged.
Then if one wants to take the back, it
can be packed. |
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14:09:27 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
Yes, using the harness is a good
solution. That's why we like the ones
that are certified above 40 lbs. |
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14:09:42 |
Webmama_Tina |
elijahsethsmom is next up :) |
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14:09:45 |
elijahsethsmom |
I have need to fit 3 kids with carseats
into a honda crv, is this even
possible?if so what carseats are
slimlined for that? 2 kids in infant
seats, one in toddler booster |
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14:10:23 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
The Sunshine Radian is on the skinny
side. How old is the oldest? |
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14:10:37 |
elijahsethsmom |
oldest almost 7, then its a 8 month old
and a 4 month old |
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14:10:52 |
Webmama_Tina |
current chatter:elijahsethsmom
...upcoming chatters: Minniemouse,
Webmama_Tina |
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14:11:24 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
I have gotten 2 convertibles side by
side in a Corolla. Well, which seat do
you have for the 7 year old? |
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14:11:38 |
elijahsethsmom |
i just have a backless booster |
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14:11:43 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
There are skinny boosters--the Evenflo
Big Kid. |
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14:11:49 |
elijahsethsmom |
ok |
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14:12:02 |
Webmama_Tina |
ok minniemouse, you're up! :) |
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14:12:12 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
Of course, you can get a harness/vest
that will have the child sitting on the
seat. Do you have 3 shoulder belts? |
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14:12:28 |
elijahsethsmom |
yes i do |
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14:12:29 |
Minniemouse |
First off, I’m a certified tech and
can’t tell you how great it is to be
part of this chat w/ you. Thanks for
taking the time! |
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14:12:43 |
Minniemouse |
A friend of mine has a 19mo that is
approaching 30lbs. She would like to
keep him rear facing as long as
possible. He is currently riding in a
Marathon half the time and a Fisher
Price Safe Embrace (originally my
daughter’s) the other half. The FPSE
has a |
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14:12:44 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
Look into the Rider Safer. Well, thanks
for joining in. |
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14:12:53 |
Webmama_Tina |
sorry, just trying to keep things moving
:) |
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14:13:03 |
Minniemouse |
rear facing weight limit of 30lbs and
she is contemplating purchasing another
seat so he can rear face longer. |
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14:13:18 |
Minniemouse |
She will have to purchase another seat
to replace the FPSE eventually, although
FP says their expiration is 8yrs and the
seat was purchased in late 2001… so
she has about 2 more years until it
expires. |
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14:13:26 |
Minniemouse |
My friend isn’t ready to drop another
$250 for another Marathon right now and
I’m really torn as to what to suggest
for her. |
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14:13:45 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
All of the Dorel convertibles are
certified to 35 lbs rear facing. |
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14:14:15 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
Of course, lots of times toddlers stop
gaining for a while as they are so
ACTIVE. |
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14:14:50 |
Minniemouse |
We've talked about that... they aren't
that $$ either, but she is still going
back and forth about it. |
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14:15:01 |
Webmama_Tina |
current chatter: Minniemouse...upcoming
chatters: Webmama_Tina |
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14:15:24 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
Although I'm not panicked about
expiration dates--it's a liability
issue--here's a tip. Be sure that when
you purchase a safety seat, it was made
recently, not a year ago! |
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14:15:41 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
How about looking at the Radian80? |
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14:16:17 |
Minniemouse |
I've been out of the loop for the last
year or so w/ new seats (I have a 1yr
and haven't been to many checks) |
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14:16:19 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
That would be a longer term option if
her child could use it above 65 lbs. |
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14:16:34 |
elijahsethsmom |
? |
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14:16:34 |
Minniemouse |
I've heard mixed reviews on that
regarding fit in cars though |
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14:17:02 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
Well, as I mentioned before, either deal
w/someone who can allow a fit-check OR
will accept returns. |
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14:17:24 |
Minniemouse |
Thanks |
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14:17:37 |
Webmama_Tina |
ok my question has to do with the story
of this little boy: |
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14:17:42 |
Webmama_Tina |
http://kyledavidmiller.memory-of.com/ |
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14:17:58 |
Webmama_Tina |
i watched the video of him here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azgBhZfcqaQ&eurl |
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14:18:05 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
Did you know that the reason we started
what became checkups was that in the
'80s we would take a pile of seats to a
parking lot and invite
pregnant/parenting families to try them
before they went to buy a seat. |
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14:18:22 |
Webmama_Tina |
and it really shook me up...are you
familiar with this story and what do you
say about their recommendation of the
britax? |
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14:18:30 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
The story of Kyle is heartrending. |
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14:18:41 |
Webmama_Tina |
i want to know if i should go buy one
for each of my kids...they are expensive
but if its worth it i will |
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14:19:07 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
Please review flyer #650. In essence,
Christina and her supporters have
learned a lot since they did the initial
video. |
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14:19:13 |
Webmama_Tina |
seriously heartrenching |
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14:19:25 |
Webmama_Tina |
oh so its not accurate? |
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14:19:33 |
Webmama_Tina |
is it specifically mentioned in that
flier? |
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14:19:39 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
Safety belts rarely release--but they do
on some occasions. |
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14:20:04 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
The seats with harnesses that are used
to a higher weight and tethered are
safer anyway. |
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14:20:17 |
Webmama_Tina |
i know i read initially that the seat
belt released adn then there was some
comments somewhere i read (i think on
youtube) that said taht it turned out it
wasn't the seat belt, that he slid out
of the booster? |
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14:20:28 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
We encourage remembering that one's
protection is DEMOTED; no child
\graduates\" in CPS." |
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14:21:11 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
I have not studied the actual case,
although I have spoken with Christine. I
think that it is important to put every
risk in perspective. |
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14:21:51 |
Webmama_Tina |
she's promoting all children in boosters
should go back to 5pt harness i
believe...which it sounds like you also
suggest staying in the harness as long
as possible too? |
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14:22:04 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
Best off with rear facing; next in a
harness w/tether; next w/booster--and
usually a good idea to lock the belt on
the child to reduce moving out of
position. BUT the big message is that
safety seats save lives. 30% of the kids
who die are totally unrestra |
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14:22:08 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
ined. |
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14:22:39 |
Webmama_Tina |
ok so my biggest concern is my 6yr old |
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14:22:44 |
Webmama_Tina |
she is currently in a full booster |
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14:22:57 |
Webmama_Tina |
she's 46lbs |
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14:23:12 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
At the same time, I don't want anyone
who cannot use a high weight harness to
feel guilty about using a booster. Even
a lap belt alone helps by keeping the
child in the vehicle. |
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14:24:12 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
If you mean a booster with a back, using
the shoulder-lap belt on the child's
body, that is fine. Just lock her in.
But if she fits in a high weight harness
seat and you have one, use that most of
the time. |
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14:24:28 |
Webmama_Tina |
ok so if we can afford the britax, you
are saying that it is safer to keep her
in 5pt? |
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14:24:46 |
Webmama_Tina |
i mean to buy the britax...i forget the
model name but its for up to 80lbs |
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14:24:59 |
Webmama_Tina |
you can only buy it online in most cases
i think |
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14:25:15 |
SandraMort |
The marathon? |
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14:25:16 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
There aren't hard stats on this as there
are so few kids who ride this way. Even
for older kids, so few in boosters that
it's hard to get data. |
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14:25:22 |
Webmama_Tina |
maybe |
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14:25:23 |
rugbymom |
tina, its on the website for that
little boy |
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14:25:32 |
SandraMort |
Marathon is what my boys are in, when we
have the car. |
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14:25:34 |
Webmama_Tina |
ok thanks rugby |
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14:25:49 |
Webmama_Tina |
i couldn't find it just now but i know
that's where i saw it before |
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14:26:10 |
Minniemouse |
Tina it is the Regent (used to be a
Husky). They are REALLY hard to find
right now because there was a rush on
them after that video hit the internet. |
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14:26:13 |
Webmama_Tina |
basically i'm just wondering if its
worth putting the money into buying
those expensive seats...or if she's safe
in the booster... |
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14:26:18 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
However, the Regent and the Radian80 and
for many, the other products that are
certified to 65 lbs. will provide more
protection IF USED CORRECTLY and
consistently. |
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14:27:00 |
Webmama_Tina |
so what do you mean by lock her in? lock
teh belt so she can't move in it? |
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14:27:20 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
I think we will have more data in
future. Yes, switch the retractor so the
child can't introduce slack in the belt. |
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14:27:54 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
Okay, I want to invite everyone to visit
www.carseat.org and of course, if you
are interested, to join us. |
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14:28:07 |
Webmama_Tina |
ok |
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14:28:17 |
Webmama_Tina |
so she's safe in teh booster, ok |
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14:28:37 |
Webmama_Tina |
but would be safer in the regent, gotcha |
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14:28:52 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
And put the booster kid in a
shoulder-lap belt in the center. |
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14:28:58 |
Webmama_Tina |
ok have to talk to hubby and see what we
want to do, thank you so much! |
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14:29:08 |
Webmama_Tina |
well we have a van... |
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14:29:12 |
Webmama_Tina |
should i put her in the way back? |
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14:29:19 |
Webmama_Tina |
i have her seat sorta pushed to the
middle |
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14:29:31 |
Webmama_Tina |
the middle where the kids are only has 2
seats...baby is right behind me |
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14:29:44 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
Sure, what you are doing is fine. |
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14:29:50 |
Webmama_Tina |
and booster child is pushed almost to
the middle...doesn't quite go fully
middle |
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14:30:08 |
Webmama_Tina |
oh good thank you! |
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14:30:29 |
Webmama_Tina |
thank you so much stephanie! |
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14:30:35 |
Webmama_Tina |
this has been a wonderfully informative
chat! |
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14:30:41 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
Another tip: when one has a choice of 1
in the center and one on a side, put the
side kid on the passenger side. In some
rear end crashes, the seats in front
break backwards. The driver's seat is
always occupied. |
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14:30:43 |
Webmama_Tina |
i appreciate you sticking around! |
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14:30:57 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
Thanks to all involved. Share the
information if you can. |
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14:31:09 |
cutterbug |
hi |
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14:31:13 |
Webmama_Tina |
oh interesting |
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14:31:29 |
Webmama_Tina |
maybe i should swap my kiddos then |
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14:31:36 |
elijahsethsmom |
what is the absolute max you can do rear
sitting? |
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14:31:49 |
Webmama_Tina |
i will have the transcripts up soon |
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14:31:54 |
elijahsethsmom |
thanks |
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14:32:04 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
Probably not, if you have 2 seats. The
booster child sits in the center; the
rear facing child on the side. |
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14:32:20 |
Webmama_Tina |
if you're on the egroup, i post there
when transcripts are uploaded |
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14:32:39 |
Webmama_Tina |
ok so i'll keep them where they
are...easier for me anyway so i can get
the baby out without having to walk all
the way around |
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14:32:48 |
Webmama_Tina |
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14:33:05 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
The max is the max on the safety
seat--35 lbs. while the child's head is
at least an inch below the top of the
plastic shell. Of course, that can
change as products designed and sold
change. |
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14:33:20 |
elijahsethsmom |
ok |
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14:33:43 |
Stephanie Tombrello |
Good bye. |
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14:33:48 |
elijahsethsmom |
bye thanks |
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14:33:58 |
Webmama_Tina |
thank you stephanie! have a good day! |
