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Breastfeeding Is Normal presents: A Breastfeeding Advocacy Chat #28
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14 mamas in attendance

11:17:33 mod_ariana Hello
11:25:00 bunnymom hi- are you 2 here early for the scheduled chat?
11:26:03 mod_ariana It starts at 9am, but sometimes if we get a few people in here we start having fun sooner.  ;)
11:26:21 mod_ariana Well that'd be 9am where I am, I mean at the hour
11:26:33 bunnymom that's noon here
11:26:57 mod_ariana Isn't everyone here on the West Coast?  :P
11:27:02 bunnymom its a casual chat today right- no set topic
11:27:07 mod_ariana Right
11:27:13 Host_Housepoet good morning!
11:27:16 mod_ariana though we do have some topics to discuss informally
11:27:19 bunnymom good morning
11:27:21 mod_ariana or at least one topic
11:27:28 bunnymom what is that?
11:27:30 mod_ariana Right  Host_Housepoet
11:27:38 Host_Housepoet I missed it?
11:27:39 Host_Housepoet what?
11:27:52 mod_ariana I was saying we had one topic we wanted to discuss today
11:27:55 mod_ariana the pool thing
11:27:56 bunnymom what is the informal topic?
11:27:59 Host_Housepoet oh right
11:27:59 mod_ariana Do you have a link?
11:28:06 Host_Housepoet woman!
11:28:10 Host_Housepoet I just got IN here
11:28:13 Host_Housepoet give me a second
11:28:14 Host_Housepoet ;)
11:28:22 mod_ariana sorry
11:28:23 Host_Housepoet I wasn't even sure I was going to be here 5 minutes ago!
11:28:24 Host_Housepoet haha
11:28:32 Host_Housepoet *whip*
11:28:36 bunnymom i have not been on the computer for a while due to illness so i am not up to date
11:28:37 mod_ariana I've had coffee and Monkees so my morning is in full swing!
11:28:45 Host_Housepoet that you are my dear!
11:28:54 mod_ariana Actually I can get the link
11:28:57 mod_ariana if you want
11:29:00 mod_ariana I know where to go
11:30:08 bunnymom can i ask a basic bf question that is not advocacy related
11:30:12 mod_ariana Ok, here http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/6005947/detail.html
11:30:17 mod_ariana Oh sure  bunnymom
11:30:22 mod_ariana We love to try to help
11:30:32 mod_ariana though obviously we aren't medical professionals or anything.  ;)
11:30:58 Host_Housepoet http://www.mlive.com/news/aanews/index.ssf?/base/news-16/1136994078120310.xml&coll=2&thispage=1%3Cbr%3E
11:31:00 Host_Housepoet that's another one
11:31:03 bunnymom where can i get correct info on meds and bf-as opposed to the pdr that just basicaaly says no to everything
11:31:13 Host_Housepoet cassandrakfreaq!
11:31:24 bunnymom prob better that you arent ;)
11:31:24 mod_ariana There's a few links, give me a sec to find them
11:31:27 cassandrakfreaq hi guys its been frever
11:31:58 cassandrakfreaq sorry NAK with a one year old so he is pressing keys lol
11:32:19 bunnymom lol i am nak with 3 yo
11:32:25 Host_Housepoet is this the one you have A?
11:32:26 Host_Housepoet http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/6005947/detail.html
11:32:29 Host_Housepoet yes that's the right onw
11:32:40 mod_ariana http://www.kellymom.com/health/meds/index.html
11:32:50 mod_ariana That's a list of pages with info on meds
11:32:51 cassandrakfreaq oh lord hahaha that sounds like a challenge
11:33:06 bunnymom thanks
11:33:44 mod_ariana bunnymom if you don't find what you need there let me know and I'll try to find another link
11:33:59 bunnymom you wouldnt believe this nurse practitioner i saw last week- she wanted to give me diuretics and when i asked if it would interfere with my breastmilk she said it would be better if it did and just dried up my milk!
11:34:04 bunnymom thanks
11:34:33 cassandrakfreaq wow....I would have gone home in cuffs if someone said that to me
11:34:38 cassandrakfreaq not really
11:34:44 cassandrakfreaq but she would have gotten yelled at
11:34:44 mod_ariana :<
11:34:55 mod_ariana Man I hate it when people are like that
11:34:58 bunnymom i guess she doesnt approve of nursing toddlers
11:35:17 cassandrakfreaq she is a nurse.....as a professional she should keep her lousy opinion to herself
11:35:27 cassandrakfreaq its completely uncalled for
11:35:39 mod_ariana Oh doctors and nurses are always giving opinions on non medical things
11:35:42 mod_ariana Drives me crazy
11:35:48 cassandrakfreaq thats why I rarely go
11:36:07 mod_ariana Yep
11:36:21 cassandrakfreaq my sons doctor is so busy they don't notice if he mises and we are very selective in the shots he has so he doesn't really have a reason to go
11:36:27 mod_ariana We don't do well baby" visits anymore"
11:36:32 cassandrakfreaq I dont blame you
11:36:54 cassandrakfreaq I did at first because morg wasn't gaining any weight but since I got my confidence bakc I haven't been there
11:37:08 mod_ariana My docs office always wants to give nutrition advice
11:37:14 cassandrakfreaq he has gained a pound a month since he was born...im not worried
11:37:17 mod_ariana If I want nutrition advice I'll go to a nutritionist!
11:37:28 bunnymom yeah- she was trying to change my bp meds cause she didnt like the one i was on- said you cant take it bfing and just didnt like it in gen- now she had known me all of 10 mins in making these recommendations even though 4 docs and 2 lac specialist said
11:37:34 bunnymom that it was ok
11:37:36 cassandrakfreaq lol they tried to make me give him iron drops...I just said I would and threw them away
11:38:10 bunnymom she even told me to stop my asthma meds cuz of bf- of course where will she be when i am hosp and cant breathe-
11:38:22 mod_ariana One of the docs in the practice went on and on about how my son needed to drink milk
11:38:50 mod_ariana bunnymom did you find the meds you were looking for in the link I gave you?
11:39:01 cassandrakfreaq I never listen to my doctor or nurses when it comes to whether or not to BF while on medication....they jsut dont keep updated enough..I go to my pharmacyst and she looks it up on her palm pilot and  gives me all the correct info
11:39:07 bunnymom i am still looking but found one
11:39:11 mod_ariana cool
11:39:24 bunnymom thanks
11:39:30 mod_ariana cassandrakfreaq that's great you have a good pharmacist.
11:39:35 mod_ariana some of them don't stay up to date either
11:39:38 bunnymom yeah she supposedly looked it up on hers
11:39:50 bunnymom most are just cya you know
11:39:54 mod_ariana I'm kinda excited because I ordered Dr. Hale's Medications in Mother's Milk
11:40:01 mod_ariana I don't have it yet but I will soon, hopefully
11:40:23 Host_Housepoet I'm so stoked that you are going to have that book!
11:40:50 cassandrakfreaq yeah I am lucky they had wanted to run a test because an endocrinoligist thinks I have PCOS and the doctor said I would have to quit nursing for 24 horus...I really didn't want to and the pharmacyst looked it up and I didn't have to they had done tests
11:40:52 kittn how much does that book run?
11:41:02 cassandrakfreaq and found that nothing is secreted into the BM
11:41:18 mod_ariana Host_Housepoet it still hasn't shipped though
11:41:23 Host_Housepoet ohhh
11:41:50 cassandrakfreaq I know my LLL carries that book in their library..I should check it out cuz I hear so many good things about
11:42:00 cassandrakfreaq its like a desk reference right?
11:42:06 mod_ariana Yes
11:42:18 mod_ariana http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/096362198X/002-5309460-7915212?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance&n=283155
11:42:25 mod_ariana There's the book on amazon
11:42:37 mod_ariana Host_Housepoet do you have the link to Dr. Hale's forum board?
11:42:44 Host_Housepoet yes
11:42:56 Host_Housepoet http://neonatal.ama.ttuhsc.edu/cgi-bin/discus/discus.cgi?pg=topics&access=guest
11:43:07 cassandrakfreaq great
11:43:33 mod_ariana Not all the info is on the forums, but it can help you find some info
11:44:36 Host_Housepoet my son is licking peanutbutter off his hands
11:44:40 Host_Housepoet it's the cutest thing ever
11:44:54 cassandrakfreaq hey do BF babies get less diaper rash? my friends kids always have it and they FF but my son hasn't had a single spot
11:45:30 cassandrakfreaq i love peanut butter....i ate it everyday the first 6 months of my sons life i woould just crave it
11:45:42 mod_ariana cassandrakfreaq I think some FF babies are actually sensitive to the dairy in formula and  that's why they have the rash
11:45:59 cassandrakfreaq oh that makes a lot of sense
11:46:13 mod_ariana also the FF baby's poop is a lot more toxic" so it makes sense that it'd be more irritating to their butts"
11:46:26 mod_ariana by toxic I just mean yucky, stinky, etc.
11:46:52 cassandrakfreaq oh god yes....i miss strictly BF poops a lot
11:47:22 bunnymom just checked- my current med has lower bf risk than the diuretic she wanted to switch to-- thanks
11:47:40 Host_Housepoet Ariana stepped away for a minute
11:47:50 Host_Housepoet but i'll pass that along to her  bunnymom
11:48:05 bunnymom thanks
11:48:11 Host_Housepoet We're going to get started in a few minutes ladies, please feel free to chat amoungst yourselves
11:48:20 Host_Housepoet I have to promote on one more board and I'll be right back!
11:48:30 cassandrakfreaq good luck
11:48:31 mod_ariana bunnymom that's great!
11:48:33 Host_Housepoet *meow*
11:48:41 mod_ariana You should call and tell the dumb nurse that
11:48:42 kittn ??
11:48:43 bunnymom thanks so much for the links
11:48:48 kittn what the heck was that?
11:48:51 bunnymom brb
11:49:01 cassandrakfreaq lol a sound
11:50:00 cassandrakfreaq hey does abyone know if nursing necklaces still work for a yeaar old.....lately with teething my son has been scratching my boobs up
11:51:23 kittn i made some cool nursing necklaces from sculpty
11:51:30 kittn in characters my son likes
11:51:36 kittn like bob the tomato
11:51:45 cassandrakfreaq wow i wish i was that talented
11:51:52 kittn its not to hard
11:51:59 kittn after all they dont care how it looks
11:52:16 kittn anything red and round is BOB to my 17 month old
11:52:19 cassandrakfreaq veggie tales is the only show my son likes
11:52:27 kittn my boys adore it
11:52:33 cassandrakfreaq i love the songs
11:52:38 cassandrakfreaq they crack me up
11:52:48 kittn sam likes the music but doesnt really watch" them"
11:53:00 kittn barbara manatee
11:53:07 kittn your the one for me
11:53:08 kittn lol
11:53:51 kittn yeah im a freak, but after hearing some of the songs 10000x they get stuck
11:54:08 cassandrakfreaq thats how morgan is....normally he doesn't even notice tv is on but when veggie tales came on he actually looked for about 5 mins
11:54:13 kittn he will even dance when hes nursing is veggie tales comes on
11:54:22 kittn he does a belly dance kinda thing its hysterical
11:54:23 cassandrakfreaq I love the hairbursh song
11:54:34 cassandrakfreaq and anything with the frensh peas
11:54:45 kittn I LOVE THE FRENCH PEAS
11:55:02 cassandrakfreaq whats nice is the dvds are on $10 which isn't that expensive
11:57:34 kittn we have so many of the videos now
11:57:39 kittn i think were up to 10
11:57:50 Host_Housepoet Ariana
11:57:57 mod_ariana hi
11:57:58 Host_Housepoet I called Carrie but got her VM only
11:58:03 mod_ariana :(
11:58:16 Host_Housepoet I'm pretty sure that she said that she still needed someone to write the letter
11:58:21 Host_Housepoet so perhaps that should happen
12:01:09 sugarcoated_poison_apple good morning and/or afternoon ^_^
12:01:31 Host_Housepoet SPA!
12:01:41 mod_ariana sugarcoated_poison_apple Good afternoon!
12:01:45 Host_Housepoet well hello my dear
12:01:52 Host_Housepoet you did such an awesome job with those links at AAM
12:01:57 sugarcoated_poison_apple i have to get cracking on that again
12:02:00 mod_ariana I know.  I think I love you
12:02:14 mod_ariana I actually had some ideas.  I'll email you or something
12:02:21 sugarcoated_poison_apple i've been busy with other crap and getting sidetracked
12:02:31 Host_Housepoet I hear that
12:02:35 mod_ariana Oh, but you've done sooo much
12:02:38 sugarcoated_poison_apple after tomorrow i should be able to dive back in ...
12:02:39 mod_ariana You do great work!
12:02:47 sugarcoated_poison_apple aww, thank you ^_^
12:02:49 Host_Housepoet I start school next week and I have to get this house in perfect order so we can just upkeep when we're home
12:02:57 Host_Housepoet it's going to be a busy busy next few months
12:03:29 mod_ariana It's always busy
12:03:37 sugarcoated_poison_apple all i did was go through links noel gave me ... and then the links that were on other pages ... and i kept finding more and more and more links ... i aven't even gotten to my own bookmarks yet
12:03:50 kittn housepoet -school for what?
12:04:07 mod_ariana hee, I was thinking about the locked posts with info in Adopt a Mom
12:04:20 mod_ariana the stuff where it isn't organized, just random info in comments, you know
12:04:25 doulasteph My breasts are a little raw!    MEaghan is doing a cross between nursing and chewingon me
12:04:43 mod_ariana doulasteph :(
12:04:45 sugarcoated_poison_apple tomorrow afternoon i'm going to small claims court because i'm suing my old babysitter for screwing us over ... once that's out of the way i can get back to what i'm supposed to be working on
12:05:04 mod_ariana I'm trying to cook up a way for people to help you.  ;)
12:05:09 doulasteph Nottoo bad though. no more biting
12:05:16 mwalton doulasteph:ouch!  I'm glad Connor only has 2 teeth and hasn't really figured out what they are for yet
12:05:27 sugarcoated_poison_apple oo, fun ^_^ help is nice. i haven't even touched the articles yet
12:05:33 doulasteph POison, what happened?
12:05:38 mod_ariana Has anyone here let their kids self wean?  After 2 years old?
12:05:49 doulasteph Meag has 4 all at once.
12:05:53 cassandrakfreaq not yet
12:06:02 kittn ariana  * yes me
12:06:05 lilith_storm mine self weaned, but before 2
12:06:12 Host_Housepoet kittn I go to college here in Santa Barbara for Graphic Design
12:06:16 kittn AJ was 35 months
12:06:21 mod_ariana kittn tell me about self weaning.
12:06:31 doulasteph my son self weaned but at 15months
12:06:32 mod_ariana James is just over 2 1/2 and he's really slowed down in his nursing
12:06:34 kittn oh cooul housepoet, im in school for criminal justice
12:06:53 mod_ariana William kinda self weaned but it was while I was pregnant so I think it was a little different
12:06:54 doulasteph Ariana, how do you feel about his decision to nurseless?
12:06:54 kittn He started cutting down about 28 months or so to just naps and bed time
12:07:09 mod_ariana doulasteph oh it's bittersweet
12:07:19 kittn then it got a little more infrequent, untill it was just bed times
12:07:33 kittn thats how we ended up with the nickname nuhnights""
12:07:40 mod_ariana kittn did you ever feel like you had a low supply during that time?
12:07:47 doulasteph I cna imagine...Meag is slowig down at 8months, just normal cutting back with starting solids but I already MISS the regular ursing
12:07:51 sugarcoated_poison_apple i needed state assistance to pay for daycare so i could afford to work, and when you apply, as soon as you're approved they backdate the assistance to the day you officially filed your application, and they reimburse you the money you paid for child care (minus a weekly parent fee you're responsible for) ... only they give this money to the daycvare provider instead of the parent
12:07:58 kittn yeah, i remember wondering if he was getting anything at al
12:08:13 mod_ariana Because James is doing this chewing thing that I think is because I have less milk
12:08:28 mod_ariana I can't decide if that's the way it's supposed to be or if I should take some steps to up my supply
12:08:35 kittn but i could hear him swallow , he would kind of chew around after let down
12:08:41 mod_ariana I don't want him to wean out of frustration, but I don't want to artificially prolong it
12:08:46 cassandrakfreaq have you guys noticed kids wanting ot nurse less around a year old? I am really scared about a nursing stirke coming on soon. I have to time myself ot make sure I nurse my son enough cuz other that at night and for naps he doesn't even notice not being nur
12:08:50 cassandrakfreaq nursed sorry
12:09:04 kittn cassandra = all three of mine increased their nursing a a year
12:09:26 kittn i think its a resonable concern ariana
12:09:26 lilith_storm mine nursed more right around 1, but I think it was more for comfort than food
12:09:28 mod_ariana Mine waited until well after a year to start slowing down
12:09:45 sugarcoated_poison_apple we had a bunch of problems dealing with this woman, like she was pushing me to put my 3-year-old in underwear even though she wasn't potty trained yet (and i didn't have money to buy her underwear) and she was bitchy ... long story short she says that we owe her the money because we pulled the kids without giving her a weeks' notice ... but she owes us $550
12:09:47 mod_ariana But they did kinda ignore nursing a bit when they started walking -- could that be it
12:09:48 doulasteph My son started nursing less at a year when he became more mobile.  THen at 15 months he could have caredless if he had a boob or cup.  A boob just slowed him down
12:09:54 cassandrakfreaq well he turned a year old today and in that last month just doesnt seem to care much about nursing
12:09:58 kittn but I do remember feeling like I didnt have enough for him so if he asked to nurse during the day I let him and then gave him a cup after
12:10:26 sugarcoated_poison_apple angelique lost interest a little after her first birthday ... it was a slow decline after that, and she just stopped at 18 months
12:10:57 cassandrakfreaq yeah he is just now attempting to walk and stuff so maybe thats it
12:10:57 lilith_storm Mine wanted the freedom of a cup, but i think that also kinda scared him which made him nurse more often, once he was comfortable with his new freedom he wasn't interested at all except naps, night, and early in the morning
12:11:22 sugarcoated_poison_apple i didn't have much left at that point. i was depressed and i didn't eat well, and my breasts were a very saggy a cup at that point (they were b cup before i got pregnant and had gone up to c)
12:11:37 doulasteph be back soon.  Gotta put the toddlers down for nap.
12:11:43 mod_ariana Do you think it was the lack of milk that made her stop?  SPA
12:11:51 doulasteph POison I hear you on the saggy A cup...mine look like hound dog eyes when Im not nursing"
12:11:51 kittn i dont think this one is ever going to want to wean
12:12:01 kittn at 17 months he wants boobie ALL the time still
12:12:04 cassandrakfreaq I feel like  ishoudl be happy that I have this freedom where he is ok with not nursing most of the day but it makes me more scared than anything.....I dont want my supply to drop
12:12:12 sugarcoated_poison_apple yeah, i think that was it ... if i'd had more milk i think she would have nurse longer
12:12:16 mod_ariana Oh, saggy empty looking -- I am familiar with that!
12:12:29 mod_ariana Ok, I'm thinking of getting a galactagogue
12:12:42 lilith_storm a what?
12:12:53 kittn i dont remmeber mine ever being saggy empty looking untill well after the baby weaned
12:12:54 mod_ariana a galactagogue is something that helps you make more milk
12:12:58 mod_ariana often an herb
12:13:10 lilith_storm ok lLOL my brain was somewhere else
12:13:17 mod_ariana kittn see I've never been an over-producer
12:13:25 mod_ariana I've always just been barely enough
12:13:40 mod_ariana So maybe for me I'm losing supply because he isn't nursing so often
12:13:59 sugarcoated_poison_apple it kinda worked out in our case tho ... i was sad when she weaned, but i ended up leaving her father a couple months later (in june), and she spent the summer with him. if she'd still been nursing i can't imagine what it would have done to her to have me suddenly not there
12:14:13 kittn its possible
12:14:20 mod_ariana sugarcoated_poison_apple or to your boobs!!
12:14:37 kittn i always spray shoot across the room when my guys were little
12:14:51 mod_ariana Oh, I've never been able to spary far
12:14:57 mod_ariana barely drip
12:15:13 kittn ewven now sammy pulls of and presses on it to get it to shoot him in the face
12:15:18 kittn apparently its great fun
12:15:29 kittn to him
12:15:29 mod_ariana I know I've had enough" since James was exclusively BF up until just after 6 months and he gained PLENTY of weight"
12:15:36 cassandrakfreaq yeah im like you ariana I dont have an overabundance of supply.....my son had tongue-tie so that zapped me from the getgo and I was never able to recover fro mthat
12:15:37 lilith_storm my SIL is divorced and had to send her kids to their dad for the summer, really tramatised the younger one to have to stop so suddenly, her dad didn't care only wanted his visitation reguardless
12:15:59 kittn ughh must go to work
12:16:06 kittn crap im gonna be late
12:16:07 mod_ariana lilith_storm that's so sad when someoen puts themselves above their kids
12:16:15 mod_ariana kittn bye kittn, thanks fo ryou help
12:16:19 sugarcoated_poison_apple hehe .... well, when she did wean, i didn't have any engorgement. there wasn't really much left in my breasts ... of course, i was complaining to steve about my itty bitty boobs, and he joked that if i got pregnant and breastfed another baby, my breasts would get bigger again. ever so ironically, i got pregnant like the first time we did it""
12:16:34 lilith_storm LOL
12:16:37 cassandrakfreaq it is really sad...if somethign were to happen my hubby would always respect my nursing relationship...he knows how important it is for our children
12:17:13 mod_ariana Once in a while dh thanks me for nursing out kids as long as they want and being a SAHM
12:17:22 mod_ariana It really makes me feel good about me and about him.  ;)
12:17:32 sugarcoated_poison_apple that's so sweet
12:17:43 lilith_storm :) my dh is cheap, so he's all for anything free.
12:17:48 cassandrakfreaq lmao
12:17:49 mwalton it's wonderful that he's so supportive!
12:17:50 cassandrakfreaq to true
12:18:12 cassandrakfreaq I couldn't imagine having ot pay for formula....its so expensinve
12:18:17 mod_ariana it also means that momma is the only one who can care for baby in the middle of the night in the early days so what dad would be against that?
12:18:32 mwalton lol true
12:18:38 cassandrakfreaq thats what i tell men who are against it...im like you have to do nothing how can you complain?
12:19:06 sugarcoated_poison_apple steve and i joke that he's had a plot going for the past 8 years (that's how long we've known each other) that he wanted a really super smart baby, so he decided to lie in wait for me to get really into breastfeeding so he knew the baby would have the best
12:19:08 mod_ariana You do nothing and your wife/SO's breasts get bigger. What's not to like?
12:19:17 sugarcoated_poison_apple *lmao*
12:19:19 Host_Housepoet haha
12:19:26 lilith_storm lmao!
12:19:33 sugarcoated_poison_apple there should be a banner like that
12:19:53 cassandrakfreaq yeah.....want to increase your wifes bust size? BREASTFEED
12:19:57 cassandrakfreaq totally
12:20:02 cassandrakfreaq we need to make that
12:20:06 mod_ariana Breastfeeding:  Cheaper than a boob job!
12:20:18 lilith_storm free, easy, and bigger boobs. What's not to love!
12:20:35 cassandrakfreaq plus waterworks in the bedroom
12:20:48 sugarcoated_poison_apple Totally Natural Breast Enlargement! Includes Free Protection From Breast Cancer and Other Diseases!
12:20:49 cassandrakfreaq i spray my hubby most times we are intimate
12:20:56 lilith_storm LOL my dh thought it was....erotic
12:20:58 mod_ariana haha
12:21:08 mod_ariana I always say men should love it when you leak
12:21:11 cassandrakfreaq so does mine.....he judges himself on how much i leak
12:21:16 mod_ariana it means that they're doing something right!  ;)
12:21:20 cassandrakfreaq lol
12:21:23 mod_ariana exactly
12:21:36 mod_ariana ohh honey!  You made me leak!""
12:21:47 sugarcoated_poison_apple *gigglesnort*
12:22:33 sugarcoated_poison_apple steve and i needed a blanket on the bed for a while after i had amorette ... every time my bra came off i'd turn into a fountain
12:22:39 cassandrakfreaq ok guys its been lovely and you all have been so helpful but I must go make some lunch for my ravenous husband before he gets home
12:24:55 sugarcoated_poison_apple my baby is all stuffed up
12:25:04 bunnymom my 2 are also
12:25:33 bunnymom its like suck suck pant pant pant
12:25:35 Host_Housepoet If you all remember from last chat the article here http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/6005947/detail.html  about the woman who was asked to stop nurisng at the YMCA
12:25:38 sugarcoated_poison_apple i'm not sure if it's because she;s teething or if she has the same cold as everyone else in the house
12:25:50 Host_Housepoet Well, we still dont have a letter up at Promom.org, but one is in the works,
12:26:02 Host_Housepoet once it is up, we'll be sending out an email to the list
12:26:14 Host_Housepoet make sure you sign up for the list http://breastfeedingisnormal.org
12:26:48 bunnymom has anyone here experienced nursing agitation
12:27:01 mod_ariana what exactly do you mean?
12:27:33 mod_ariana I think I've heard of a few women who experience some anxiety while nursing
12:27:39 mod_ariana I don't really know a lot about it though
12:27:45 bunnymom i am tandem nursing and apparently it is much more common then- when nursing feelling agitated and wanting to stop-
12:27:49 sugarcoated_poison_apple my daughter is clawing my boob right now while she's nursing ... does that count? *lol*
12:28:00 Host_Housepoet I feel that way sometimes  bunnymom
12:28:08 bunnymom getting like a nails on chalkboard sensation
12:28:09 Host_Housepoet I have to make DS stop because I can't take it
12:28:13 mod_ariana PurpleCow hello!
12:28:15 Host_Housepoet yep
12:28:32 mod_ariana I think I've felt like that once in a while
12:28:40 bunnymom it has been happening lately- not all the time
12:28:40 sugarcoated_poison_apple me, too
12:28:44 mod_ariana but it's usually more tied to how I'm feeling about other parts of my life
12:28:49 lilith_storm when ds thought my nipple was a teether I felt that way
12:29:10 PurpleCow O_O not looking forward to that....
12:29:21 bunnymom i have nursed all 4 of mine and never had anything but pleasant feelings about nursing
12:29:31 mod_ariana Good latch!  Teach them a good latch it's the best way to avoid biting
12:29:38 mod_ariana when they slip out of the good latch take them off
12:29:47 bunnymom i want them to self wean when they are ready
12:30:13 lilith_storm I tried everything I could, but he got 4 in at once, then 3 more the next week. Stopping, relatching, time outs from breast, he just had to gnaw..
12:30:24 bunnymom i just chalk it up to the fact that i am single parenting 4 kids, 2 nursing and a lot of stress
12:30:41 mod_ariana One mom suggested a washcloth soaked in breastmilk and then frozen as a teether
12:30:49 PurpleCow wow, i bet, bunny
12:31:06 lilith_storm i'll have to remember that for #2 :)
12:31:09 mod_ariana That'd be a lot of stress
12:31:09 net I have a question when you ready
12:31:11 PurpleCow ooh, i'll have to remember that, ariana
12:31:18 mod_ariana net go ahead and ask your question
12:31:28 bunnymom lilith_storm my 3 yo likes to chew on a wet paper towel when he was teething
12:31:49 mod_ariana bunnymom ewwww -- wet paper in my mouth is a really freaky tactile experience for me
12:32:01 lilith_storm luckily now at almost 2 he's got them all in, but it was rough coming in so many and so fast
12:32:40 net My nipples alway are a little bit sore, They had really bad thrush when he was firts born, He has a very good latch, could it be because he is a very strong sucker
12:32:47 bunnymom he liked it though- a few folded together to make a rol he could bite down on
12:32:56 mod_ariana net how old is your son?
12:34:04 net 4 months I had the same problem with my 5 year old as well
12:34:26 mod_ariana At 4 months I have to wonder if his latch has kinda slipped up a little due to teething
12:34:39 mod_ariana but are you saying it's *always* hurt?
12:35:05 lilith_storm do they hurt or just sore?
12:35:47 bunnymom could your breasts still have some yeast- were your nipples treated along with his thrush
12:36:09 net Some times not all the time, also could it be because I am letting him suck when he is done eating, and is falling asleep, he seems to want to use me as a soother latly
12:36:33 mod_ariana If he has a bad latch while he's comfort nursing that could be causing it
12:36:43 mod_ariana I would recommend comfort nursing on demand though
12:36:50 mod_ariana perhaps just trying to improve the latch
12:37:01 net He was treated to but at first is was'nt showing on him only my nipples
12:37:15 net Just sore
12:37:26 mod_ariana It could just be a bit of overuse.  ;-)
12:37:29 mod_ariana It happens
12:38:23 net I think so sometimes he feed for 45 mins and isn't swallowing much
12:38:24 lilith_storm mine would get sore when he nursed more often in a day, I could always tell the heavy nursing days
12:40:25 net I have been still using the nilstat cream latly in case is is thrush again
12:40:26 mod_ariana yep, heavy nursing days -- growth spurt of comfort sucking because of teething, whatever it could be the cause
12:41:00 net I would say he is always in a growth spurt he is 18 lbs
12:41:22 lilith_storm LOL big boy! :) Just means he's healthy
12:41:34 net He is
12:41:41 mod_ariana That's great!
12:42:02 PurpleCow yay =)
12:43:08 net is it wrong to stop nursing because of bittng when they get teeth, I had to do that with my first son, He would not stop bitting me
12:44:00 lilith_storm I would stop mine for a minute, say No-no, that huerts mommmy" then relatch him, but then it didn't work well for mine"
12:44:09 mod_ariana I have a link for you  net
12:44:39 net okay
12:44:56 mod_ariana http://www.livejournal.com/community/boob_nazis/1184075.html
12:45:03 mod_ariana Great info on keeping baby from biting!
12:45:05 net Thanks
12:45:21 mod_ariana I'm still nursing a 2 1/2 year old with all his teeth so it can be done!
12:45:38 PurpleCow major thanks, here, too... gonna have to be dealing with that, soon... >=D
12:46:05 bunnymom i concur- it can be done- bf 4 into toddlerhood
12:46:14 Host_Housepoet sorry ladies, I need to lay down, not feeling well at all. M/S is no fun
12:46:31 bunnymom i am sorry housepoet, feel better
12:46:56 net Okay hope you feel better thanks
12:47:58 sugarcoated_poison_apple if you don't have one of those suction-bulb thingers and you don't feel like sucking it out yourself, how do you get snot out of your baby's nose? (she's almost 11 months)
12:48:10 bunnymom even tho i have nursed all my kids it still worries me that my 3 yo ds nurses as much as a newborn, anyone else have a toddler nursing addict ;)?
12:48:38 mod_ariana I haven't made it to 3 yo yet.
12:48:45 bunnymom warm bath helps it run out
12:48:55 sugarcoated_poison_apple she's either got a cold or it's from teething, or both, and i can hear it in her nose when she nurses
12:49:01 bunnymom i am worried i will have to pump and send to college
12:49:02 silverandgold my dd is 3.5 and still a nursing addict. in fact it has only been recently that her nursing has slowed down, up until age 3, this past summer, she still nurses a LOT
12:49:18 mod_ariana bunnymom he'll stop when he's ready
12:49:23 sugarcoated_poison_apple hey, thanks ... a bath sounds like a good idea. i can toss them both in the tub after lunch ^_^
12:49:45 bunnymom i just feel like all i do somedays is nurse- since both of them nurse A LOT, but the 3 yo the most
12:49:51 mod_ariana Different kids just have different needs
12:50:20 silverandgold i only have dd. sometimes, I say, Ok, finish up, Mommy is going to lie down for 15 minutes, and daddy will play with you.""
12:50:22 mod_ariana It may, right now feel to him like that's the best way to get your attention.  could that be it
12:50:25 net Has anyone heard of a baby sleeping to much at night
12:50:39 mod_ariana net it can happen if the baby isn't well
12:50:47 bunnymom yeah he has been through a lot in his little lifetime- at least i can give him this
12:50:52 PurpleCow I've got a question... anyone have any idea why my baby keeps pushing on my boob when he's nursing? It keeps putting him on just the tip of my nipple, and it hurts like heck...
12:50:53 mod_ariana like when my son was first born he was sleeping too much
12:51:04 silverandgold even with just 1 child, it can get exhausting. but i never felt exhausted due to nursing until she turned 3. all of a sudden at 3, I'm thinking, how much longer will she nurse?
12:51:05 bunnymom just sometimes my needs- and those of my older children go wanting
12:51:34 bunnymom mine do that too PurpleCow
12:51:35 net He seems very heathy and sleeps 12-13 hours a night
12:51:40 mod_ariana PurpleCow http://www.kellymom.com/bf/supply/fast-letdown.html  check out this link.  Does that sound like what's happening?
12:51:55 bunnymom and knead it like kittnes- i think it is to get the milk going faster
12:52:22 silverandgold dd still nurses at night, whenever, sometimes it feels like she is an infant. i find myself saying, left, right, now finish up."
12:53:17 mod_ariana If it works for you and him it seems like it'll be fine
12:53:24 bunnymom my 1st slept 12 hours through the night from 4 weeks- boy was i spoiled
12:53:34 mod_ariana Going without nursing that long at night is likely to cause your period to come back if it hasn't
12:53:38 MyBabyandMore hello :)
12:53:46 bunnymom my 2 and 3 yo wake up 2-4 each every night to nurse- yawn
12:53:51 mod_ariana MyBabyandMore WELCOME!
12:53:57 bunnymom MyBabyandMore - hello
12:54:11 mod_ariana I guess I'm kinda lucky, my boys both started sleeping through at around 2 years
12:54:31 PurpleCow hiyas, mybaby!
12:54:33 silverandgold i really hope dd takes a nap soon! she has been up since 5
12:54:37 MyBabyandMore ty
12:54:40 silverandgold yawns loudly""
12:54:51 sugarcoated_poison_apple PurpleCow my daughter does the same thing, she's 11 months and she has a habit of pushing her legs against something and pulling up off my nipple
12:55:00 net Yes thats when mine  started at 4 weeks did he how long did he continue sleeping like that for
12:55:10 sugarcoated_poison_apple she also loves to grab my boob in both hands and squeeze
12:55:18 PurpleCow lol, he does that a bit, too... he flails a  lot
12:55:22 PurpleCow lol
12:55:49 sugarcoated_poison_apple amorette is really feisty when she nurses
12:56:30 sugarcoated_poison_apple she fights sleep herd, too. she'll start to doze off, then she'll break her latch and force herself to sit so she wakes up
12:56:33 PurpleCow checked the link, and i dont think that's it.... the only other symptom he's showing is the spitup/gassyness
12:56:38 PurpleCow lol!
12:56:46 net Oh and my period did come back once he started sleeping so long at night :<
12:56:57 mod_ariana net yep that's pretty typical
12:57:15 mod_ariana PurpleCow Ok, I have another idea then -- and another link.  ;)
12:57:21 PurpleCow I went to the globetrotters game, and had to nurse alex, and he started kicking the poor little girl next to us, i had to switch sides, so he'd kick his dad, instead =P
12:57:24 PurpleCow cool =)
12:57:25 lilith_storm i didn't even think of that connection. My son started sleeping heavy at 4 months and my period shortly followed
12:58:15 mod_ariana http://www.kellymom.com/babyconcerns/food-sensitivity.html#signs   could it be a sensitivity to something in your diet?
12:58:33 PurpleCow i'm either still spotty from birth (3mo later =/) or i'm a freak, and already started on my period...
12:58:57 junipertree That's my consolation for my DS sleeping not as well lately -- it's 7 months and no period. With DD, it was six months, I think because I had gone back to work, was pumping at work instead of being home, and she was sleeping longer.
12:59:12 mod_ariana junipertree hi
12:59:25 mod_ariana I got my periods at 5 months and 4 months.  :-(  I was kinda upset
12:59:53 net Bunnymom how long did he/she keep sleeping through the night for when 4 weeks old
13:00:27 mod_ariana So a Mothering Chat is going on soon on this site
13:00:31 mod_ariana Probably starting now

 

 

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